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OT: American Politics

Anyone here doesn't believe Obamacare will cost substantially more than was presented is either deluded or dumb. Everyone and their mothers knew it would from the onset. Posting articles saying so is ridiculous because it was a given from the get. Nobody believed the numbers presented initially, not even the Democrats.

Yet the CBO estimates of costs are falling.
Nobody denies it will cost money, but the GOP has been overestimating the costs by leaps and bounds since the idea was first proposed. Massachusetts isn't broke yet. And the most vocal opponents to it are shareholders of medical insurers, so their phony disgust is meaningless.
 
it's amazing to me that americans don't realize that they spend far, far, far more government dollars per capita on health care than any other country, and that they have skyrocketed over the last decade or two, and are projected to skyrocket far, far more in the coming years.....and that's without obamacare.

it's not a question of whether obamacare will cost money, but how much it will cost in comparison to doing nothing.
 
http://www.mediaite.com/online/past...-abortions-offending-whoever-wrote-the-bible/

Pastor Kevin Swanson, host of the Generations With Vision radio show and Pastor of the Reformation Church OPC (yeah you know me), took to the airwaves to blame the recent historic flooding in Colorado on marijuana, abortion, and “decadent homosexual activity” (righteous gay sex is fine, so just put your heart into it), which he says are designed to offend “whoever wrote the Bible.”

This familiar theme has probably never been put quite that way before. RawStory somehow managed to dig out this online-only radio gem (emphasis mine):

On his Generations With Vision radio show, Swanson reminded listeners that state House Speaker Mark Ferrandino had been photographed by the Denver Post kissing his gay partner.
“Is it a coincidence that this was the worst year politically in the history of Colorado, at least if you use God’s law as a means of determining human ethics?” he asked. “Our legislators committed homosexual acts on the front page of the Denver Post, do you remember that?”

He continued: “So here we have the very worst year in Colorado’s year in terms of let’s kill as many babies as possible, let’s make sure we encourage as much decadent homosexual activity as possible, let’s break God’s law with impudence at every single level, at every single level let’s make sure that we offend whoever wrote the Bible, so we have the worst year possible politically in the state of Colorado and it happens to be the worst year ever in terms of flood and fire damage in Colorado’s history.”
 
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-wallace-stunned-gop-leaders-sent-me-opposition-research-on-ted-cruz/

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace said Sunday morning that he’d received opposition research from other Republicans about Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) in advance of Cruz’s appearance this morning, a serious indication of how upset the GOP is with the Senator leading the risky charge to defund ObamaCare.

“This has been one of the strangest weeks I’ve ever had in Washington,” Wallace said. “As soon as we listed Ted Cruz as our featured guest this week, I got unsolicited research and questions, not from Democrats but from top Republicans, to hammer Cruz.”

“This was a strategy laid out by Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz without any consultation with their colleagues,” said Karl Rove. “With all due respect to my junior Senator from Texas, I suspect this is the first time that the end game was described to any Republican Senator. They had to tune in to listen to you to find out what Ted’s next step was in the strategy.”

“You cannot build a Congressional majority, in either party, for any kind of action, unless you are treating your colleagues with some certain amount of respect, and saying, ‘Hey, what do you think of my idea?’” Rove said. “Instead they have dictated to their colleagues through the media, and through public statements, and not consulted them about this strategy at all.”

Rove also corrected Cruz’s interpretation of a Wall Street Journal as giving the GOP the advantage on whom Americans trust on health care. “I wish that were true,” Rove said, pointing out that Democrats still held the advantage, but were at an historically low number.
 
So I guess we have officially reached the point where Karl Rove is one of the few voices of reason left in the Republican Party.
 
So I guess we have officially reached the point where Karl Rove is one of the few voices of reason left in the Republican Party.

I was thinking the same thing today. Crazy.

Though when Rove was running things for Bush, they targeted a lot of these people to get Bush elected. They have opened the door to a lot of loons.
 
So I guess we have officially reached the point where Karl Rove is one of the few voices of reason left in the Republican Party.

Yup. And Newt Gingrich appears to be "reasonable".

One might conjecture this is the new GOP strategy. Unleash the bug-eyed crazies, and then reach a compromise on what the Daddy Warbucks crowd wanted to begin with...
 
Yeah, if there's one thing you can bank on it's that the GOP establishment can out maneuver these lunatics politically.
 
It's all bullshit. You'll see that this is all a plan into a single payer system. The government will continue to fight on Obamacare, which will continue to be a monstrosity and then they'll come along with a "solution" that will be single-payer. The public will be so sick of hearing about Obamacare and will actually see the single-payer system as an "improvement" and accept it.

Machiavelli would be proud.
 
It's all bullshit. You'll see that this is all a plan into a single payer system. The government will continue to fight on Obamacare, which will continue to be a monstrosity and then they'll come along with a "solution" that will be single-payer. The public will be so sick of hearing about Obamacare and will actually see the single-payer system as an "improvement" and accept it.

Machiavelli would be proud.

My fave line is the "Obama himself and his administration exempted themselves from ObamaCare, because they know it's a bad system."
No, they're simply not eligible because they already have the best health care available in the country to them. ObamaCare is for those who have nothing. When you have the Gold Standard, why would you downgrade to bronze?
So many lies...
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

link
Tory Leader Tim Hudak says Ontario is headed the way of Detroit.
Hudak told the Progressive Conservative policy convention that corrupt government and sweetheart union deals drove the U.S. border city to the brink.

“Sound familiar?” he asked convention delegates.

Hudak warned that unions’ time “at the public trough” is over.

“I will not hesitate, I will not falter,” he said.

Hudak spent much of his speech attacking organized labour and in particular “the union bosses” and he warned he would not be backing off that position.

“I separate out the union bosses and front line workers. There is a world of difference,” Hudak said, adding that the workers will join his party.

The PC leader got a rough ride after his spirited speech when he tried to engage the audience.
I wonder if our resident convenient conservative still finds it convenient to support the party that doesn't support him?
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

i will likely be spoiling or refusing my ballot this time. i could never vote liberal or NDP, yet i can't support hudak this time around.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

Not this time?
But you supported him ALL THE WAY until now, didn't you? Because you're a lemming and a hypocrite. I feel bad for the parents of the children in your class.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

I get it. You don't like Hudak. Fine.

Question: would you rather have a nice person bankrupt the province or a personality challenged one try to turn it around?
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

I get it. You don't like Hudak. Fine.

Question: would you rather have a nice person bankrupt the province or a personality challenged one try to turn it around?

Intentional humour? Whomever said McGuinty was a "nice person?"
Hudak is much more than simply personality challenged. He's an utter dolt with very little real world experience that shows every time he opens his mouth. Tells Windsor residents they should tackle their high unemployment problem by seeking jobs in Bankrupt Detroit??? WTF??
And now he wants to squash unions in a province that's primarily unionized. Off his rocker stupid, and his party keeps propping him up. He's the Ontario equivalent to Sarah Palin.
 
Re: OT: Canadian Politics

I get it. You don't like Hudak. Fine.

Question: would you rather have a nice person bankrupt the province or a personality challenged one try to turn it around?

i'd rather not have a guy who would enact loony tune educational policies trying to appeal to the most extreme segments of his base.
 
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