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OT: American Politics

hockeylover said:
Trump's mind is completely gone and has been for a while and grandpa Joe would've abided by court orders and the consitution and not put democracy at risk, but thank god we had those 80+ NYT articles about Joe's cognitive wellbeing and are still writing articles about BIden instead of the Trump admin trying to suspend habeas corpus.
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I’ve read many articles about both topics, tho.

We don’t have to deal with Trump 2.0 if Joe’s inner circle was honest about his physical condition
 
axlsalinger said:

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I've had a bit of a think about this and I think there's a few things to go over on this

- Trump is a whirlwind of bullshit and I don't buy that it's intentional, this strikes me as an extension of the 7D chess master stuff. He's just a greasy, corrupt guy who operates this way. Washington scandals have largely been orderly affairs outside of Trump where something is either invented or actually happened and the media gets to beat it to death for weeks/months because government is usually pretty fucking boring so focusing on one thing, whether real or imagined, is possible. With Trump though, so much greasy and corrupt bullshit happens so fast that it's hard to keep up with. Again, I don't think this is timed intentionally to manage the media any more than the next rain drops to hit your face in a storm after you dried yourself off are doing it intentionally to keep you wet.

- It's impossible to know which, if any of these obvious example of grift and corruption are going to be tipping points and assuming that the American people will react in a knowable way to any of them is a deep misread. This hand wringing about which story of the moment is the real story, and which is to blind you dummies away from the story important to me, is stupid. I would further bet that if you looked at the record of any journalists making that type of claim, there's probably a bunch of Trump whispering and general fucking wrongness in them.


There's more media today than at any time in history. It's fucking fractured and fucked up, but by volume it's way bigger than ever before. There is enough total bandwidth to cover all of Trump's fuckery and then just hope that enough sticks to slow his general momentum.
 
CH1 said:
I’ve read many articles about both topics, tho.

We don’t have to deal with Trump 2.0 if Joe’s inner circle was honest about his physical condition
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leading up to the election, the biden coverage vs coverage of trump's danger to democracy was extremely lopsided.

now that we're in the danger to democracy part, there's no way that we should see this much coverage of biden - articles in the new yorker, jake tapper hawking his book on biden's health on cnn, etc. it's as useless as talking about but her emails now.

the focus should be on democracy crumbling before our eyes.
 
MindzEye said:
I've had a bit of a think about this and I think there's a few things to go over on this

- Trump is a whirlwind of bullshit and I don't buy that it's intentional, this strikes me as an extension of the 7D chess master stuff. He's just a greasy, corrupt guy who operates this way. Washington scandals have largely been orderly affairs outside of Trump where something is either invented or actually happened and the media gets to beat it to death for weeks/months because government is usually pretty fucking boring so focusing on one thing, whether real or imagined, is possible. With Trump though, so much greasy and corrupt bullshit happens so fast that it's hard to keep up with. Again, I don't think this is timed intentionally to manage the media any more than the next rain drops to hit your face in a storm after you dried yourself off are doing it intentionally to keep you wet.

- It's impossible to know which, if any of these obvious example of grift and corruption are going to be tipping points and assuming that the American people will react in a knowable way to any of them is a deep misread. This hand wringing about which story of the moment is the real story, and which is to blind you dummies away from the story important to me, is stupid. I would further bet that if you looked at the record of any journalists making that type of claim, there's probably a bunch of Trump whispering and general fucking wrongness in them.


There's more media today than at any time in history. It's fucking fractured and fucked up, but by volume it's way bigger than ever before. There is enough total bandwidth to cover all of Trump's fuckery and then just hope that enough sticks to slow his general momentum.
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I would counter this has been a consistent thing with Trump though, dating back to his first term. It absolutely happens on a weekly basis, if not daily. Now whether this is a coordinated strategy cooked up by Bannon and friends, or just a byproduct of Trump's firehose of bullshit is debatable. But it does seem like whenever there's a serious scandal (or ten), there seems to always be some bullshit stories that divert attention away. It's not 17D Chess, but I do think on an instinctual level Trump does know how to distract the media.

All that being said, it could be argued that the Qatari plane story isn't actually one of these bullshit smokescreens but a legit story about corruption that is actually gaining some traction even among his most ardent supporters. So it may not be the best example. It does come down to the fact that if you commit 3-5 infractions a game, there's a good chance you'll get 3-5 penalties per game. But if you commit 97, there's just no way to police that under the normal rules. You have to change the rulebook itself, and nobody seems willing or able to do it with Trump 2.0.
 
axlsalinger said:
I would counter this has been a consistent thing with Trump though, dating back to his first term. It absolutely happens on a weekly basis, if not daily. Now whether this is a coordinated strategy cooked up by Bannon and friends, or just a byproduct of Trump's firehose of bullshit is debatable. But it does seem like whenever there's a serious scandal (or ten), there seems to always be some bullshit stories that divert attention away. It's not 17D Chess, but I do think on an instinctual level Trump does know how to distract the media.

All that being said, it could be argued that the Qatari plane story isn't actually one of these bullshit smokescreens but a legit story about corruption that is actually gaining some traction even among his most ardent supporters. So it may not be the best example. It does come down to the fact that if you commit 3-5 infractions a game, there's a good chance you'll get 3-5 penalties per game. But if you commit 97, there's just no way to police that under the normal rules. You have to change the rulebook itself, and nobody seems willing or able to do it with Trump 2.0.
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this seems a good analogy to me.

i don't think any one thing is a distraction really, it's all a big ball of corrupt, grifting, unconsistutional, dictator bullshit.

seems pretty common with authoritatian governments.
 
hockeylover said:
leading up to the election, the biden coverage vs coverage of trump's danger to democracy was extremely lopsided.

now that we're in the danger to democracy part, there's no way that we should see this much coverage of biden - articles in the new yorker, jake tapper hawking his book on biden's health on cnn, etc. it's as useless as talking about but her emails now.

the focus should be on democracy crumbling before our eyes.
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the coverage likely would, if the folks in charge of that coverage cared about maintaining democracy
 
I don’t even think the quid pro quo of the jet is the biggest issue.

How the hell can you put the president on a plane that was bought/built by a foreign, terrorist funding state. They won’t even let people buy Huwawei phones.

That’s a major national security risk. They could put anything on the plane, including back doors into the software.
 
axlsalinger said:
But it does seem like whenever there's a serious scandal (or ten), there seems to always be some bullshit stories that divert attention away.
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But every "bullshit story" is a worthy scandal unto itself though. This plane is a good example. The President is being given a 400 million dollar plane by the same billionaires who cut cheques to Hamas. This is whatever the opposite of precedented is and unto itself would be a historic political scandal of watergate worthy proportions if it wasn't for Trump, which just means that it's Tuesday.

What's the bigger scandal? Abrego Garcia with the whole ignoring SCOTUS thing, or terrorist funders personally gifting Donald Trump a 400 million dollar flying whorehouse? The answer is both. Both are the bigger scandal. Both are historic level scandals. One is not a clever distraction from the other. They're just a corrupt guy doing corrupt shit as a way of life.
 
MindzEye said:
But every "bullshit story" is a worthy scandal unto itself though. This plane is a good example. The President is being given a 400 million dollar plane by the same billionaires who cut cheques to Hamas. This is whatever the opposite of precedented is and unto itself would be a historic political scandal of watergate worthy proportions if it wasn't for Trump, which just means that it's Tuesday.

What's the bigger scandal? Abrego Garcia with the whole ignoring SCOTUS thing, or terrorist funders personally gifting Donald Trump a 400 million dollar flying whorehouse? The answer is both. Both are the bigger scandal. Both are historic level scandals. One is not a clever distraction from the other. They're just a corrupt guy doing corrupt shit as a way of life.
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Yeah, I think you guys ultimately agree here though - it's the 97 penalties and impossible to call 'em all (give them the amount of attention one big scandal would get)
 
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