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OT: Coronavirus Resources - and other things to not worry about

worm

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Might have to do with demographics too. Ontario has a poop ton of old people. Not sure about Alberta or the specific area your parents are from. They may have just run out of 70+ folks to give it to in that particular area earlier than the rest of the province or other provinces.

Even if Ontario distributed their entire current supply we would not be on 60+ year olds.
alberta is young but this is for all of alberta (they live in the old part of alberta - Lethbridge, but it doesnt really matter in terms of the booking)

apparently they way they are doing it is

they are doing doing 50-75 year olds now
it goes in reverse order for booking

so 75 year olds can book on day 1, 74 on day 2, etc

when they actually get the shot is TBD
 

Preston

The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust
alberta is young but this is for all of alberta (they live in the old part of alberta - Lethbridge, but it doesnt really matter in terms of the booking)

apparently they way they are doing it is

they are doing doing 50-75 year olds now
it goes in reverse order for booking

so 75 year olds can book on day 1, 74 on day 2, etc

when they actually get the shot is TBD
That's cool. Being organized is an interesting concept.
 

blkngldbabe

Well-known member
My parents 80,85 are getting theirs on the 11th. So glad as they are crazy making with their lack of ability to park their old asses at home. Like, I get it. My mom makes me crazy on a good day so my dad wants out of the house lol. Still, kee your hearing aids out and go keep busy in another area of the house. Then Mom gets cranky about not being able to see my kiddo. Well, be a responsible adult and we can chat. Sigh.
 

Preston

The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust
J&J has been running another trial with the same vaccine, but two doses. Lotta nerds speculating that based on the technology they use and based on their efficacy with one dose, a two dose thing will have similar efficacy as the Russian sputnik vaccine. So it would take it from 70 to 90%.

In other words if you get that vaccine you're still likely getting a second dose eventually.
 

UWHabs

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My parents 80,85 are getting theirs on the 11th. So glad as they are crazy making with their lack of ability to park their old asses at home. Like, I get it. My mom makes me crazy on a good day so my dad wants out of the house lol. Still, kee your hearing aids out and go keep busy in another area of the house. Then Mom gets cranky about not being able to see my kiddo. Well, be a responsible adult and we can chat. Sigh.
Just make sure to check up on the vaccine they get. For most I believe it still takes a couple weeks to kick in, so might still be an annoying time where they want to go straight from the clinic to your place to visit or so.
 

blkngldbabe

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Just make sure to check up on the vaccine they get. For most I believe it still takes a couple weeks to kick in, so might still be an annoying time where they want to go straight from the clinic to your place to visit or so.
Thankfully they live almost an hour away (as awful as that sounds). I’m hoping I can push them off until April but the way just ended the Simcoe lockdown after a week. Ugh.
 

Preston

The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust
One thing I'll say about the vaccines is that, yes it's true that there have been 0 deaths for anyone who got vaccinated but that is going to change in a real world situation. One of the criticisms in the trials was that there were very few deaths or even serious cases across the board, even from those who received the placebo. Very few old folks took part in the trial so I would take that statistic with a big fat grain of salt. This idea that the vaccines will turn covid into the sniffles for everyone is great. I love the idea and I'd sign up for that. But there is little data to back that up at this point.

Case in point: between J&J, novavax, Pfizer and moderna there were 73 severe cases total; 6 were vaccinated, rest were placebo. I think there were under 10 deaths total (in the placebo group) so to use that 100% statistic confidently is a bit aggressive.

There will be a reduction, maybe even a significant one, but it won't be perfect and we should still be somewhat careful at least until transmission significantly decreases. Or at the least, the vulnerable people should be careful and we should continue to try to protect them.


Tldr: don't go licking your 90 year old relatives once they're vaccinated. They're still high risk as long as there's transmission.
 
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Aberdeen

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One thing I'll say about the vaccines is that, yes it's true that there have been 0 deaths for anyone who got vaccinated but that is going to change in a real world situation. One of the criticisms in the trials was that there were very few deaths or even serious cases across the board, even from those who received the placebo. Very few old folks took part in the trial so I would take that statistic with a big fat grain of salt. This idea that the vaccines will turn covid into the sniffles for everyone is great. I love the idea and I'd sign up for that. But there is little data to back that up at this point.

Case in point: between J&J, novavax, Pfizer and moderna there were 73 severe cases total; 6 were vaccinated, rest were placebo. I think there were under 10 deaths total (in the placebo group) so to use that 100% statistic confidently is a bit aggressive.

There will be a reduction, maybe even a significant one, but it won't be perfect and we should still be somewhat careful at least until transmission significantly decreases. Or at the least, the vulnerable people should be careful and we should continue to try to protect them.


Tldr: don't go licking your 90 year old relatives once they're vaccinated. They're still high risk as long as there's transmission.
So far in UK vaccine has shown a massive reduction in severity no?
 

Preston

The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust
So far in UK vaccine has shown a massive reduction in severity no?
Yeah they're just giving everyone one dose for now and both the Pfizer and Oxford vaccines are showing an 80% reduction in hospitalizations after the single dose. Both vaccines fairly similarly effective so far. I suspect Pfizer pulls ahead after the second shot of course.

They will absolutely reduce severity. I'm just challenging the 100% reduction in death claim. There isn't enough data for that and it obviously won't hold up.
 

MSOS

Member
Question for the virologists here: if someone has bad side effects from a vaccine, does that mean they probably would have been slaughtered by the actual virus?

Thanks and Gosh Bless,
MSOS
 

Preston

The Artist Formerly Known as Goldust
Question for the virologists here: if someone has bad side effects from a vaccine, does that mean they probably would have been slaughtered by the actual virus?

Thanks and Gosh Bless,
MSOS
I don't believe there's any evidence of that but I'd tweet that question to Nate Silver to confirm.
 
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