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oscarheyman
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I liked the Gary Oldman suggestion as "Relic" in that thread.
StormChaserBH
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I see some of ya watching The Last Of Us.... My cousin was David in Ep 8... how'd he do? 
Pretty sure based on our texts (and the "1 Episode" tag on IMDB ) he died by the end like most I assume do on that show
) he died by the end like most I assume do on that show
Habsy
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That was your cousin?I see some of ya watching The Last Of Us.... My cousin was David in Ep 8... how'd he do?
Pretty sure based on our texts (and the "1 Episode" tag on IMDB
Same guy that died in the beginning of hostiles no?
I see some of ya watching The Last Of Us.... My cousin was David in Ep 8... how'd he do?
Pretty sure based on our texts (and the "1 Episode" tag on IMDB
He was good. Just not as good as Ellie.
StormChaserBH
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Yup (well wife's cousin, but I see him/talk to him more than my own cousins, so...)
....and we still tease him about THAT brief appearance!
I asked him if I should get an HBO Max trial to watch this or if he only lasted as long as Hostiles.
BG
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After watching him host SNL, I'm convinced he's the new Burt Reynolds.
axlsalinger
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GGpX
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He was excellent. Played the role incredibly well.I see some of ya watching The Last Of Us.... My cousin was David in Ep 8... how'd he do?
Pretty sure based on our texts (and the "1 Episode" tag on IMDB
GGpX
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So, The Last Of Us Season 1 is done.
Overall, beyond a couple of things that annoy me, a superb season. Hard to discuss season 2 without getting into spoilers, though...
Before the episode itself: Season 1 should be a case study for all these execs who take great source material and turn it into shit. The game was great because of a multitude of factors, one of the big ones was the story and the characters. They kept the story and the characters virtually identical to the source material while adding a couple of touches to enhance it and it was excellent.
While episode 8 ended up being pretty good, however I wish it was a little longer to flesh things out. Small complaint, but nothing that made the episode shit or anything, but...
Episode 9 suffered greatly because of the 43 minute run time instead of at least 50, hell maybe even 55+. The first two thirds of the episode had kind of a laissez-faire attitude, kind of like a "we have all the time in the world!" type of vibe, the final third? Everything seemed rushed and condensed. When Joel & Ellie get ambushed, as opposed to Ellie almost drowning in the game and being rescued by the Fireflies as Joel is trying to resuscitate her, was weak sauce. I would have tried to figure something out that was better than just some random dudes sneaking up on them out of nowhere.
The showrunners mentioned before the season started that Joel wasn't going to be Superman like he is in the game and would look the part of an aging character, all the while still being badass. However, that kind of fell out the window in the last two episodes - especially in the hospital - and he went back to what he was like in the game.
The season ends the exact same way the first game ends.
I don't know how they're going to do season 2 because in the game, Ellie's grown, both height-wise and physically. She actually looks like a very strong person. If they keep Bella Ramsey as Ellie, who is aged 14 in the show, I'm not sure I'd ever believe Bella Ramsey could play the role of a badass.
While episode 8 ended up being pretty good, however I wish it was a little longer to flesh things out. Small complaint, but nothing that made the episode shit or anything, but...
Episode 9 suffered greatly because of the 43 minute run time instead of at least 50, hell maybe even 55+. The first two thirds of the episode had kind of a laissez-faire attitude, kind of like a "we have all the time in the world!" type of vibe, the final third? Everything seemed rushed and condensed. When Joel & Ellie get ambushed, as opposed to Ellie almost drowning in the game and being rescued by the Fireflies as Joel is trying to resuscitate her, was weak sauce. I would have tried to figure something out that was better than just some random dudes sneaking up on them out of nowhere.
The showrunners mentioned before the season started that Joel wasn't going to be Superman like he is in the game and would look the part of an aging character, all the while still being badass. However, that kind of fell out the window in the last two episodes - especially in the hospital - and he went back to what he was like in the game.
The season ends the exact same way the first game ends.
I don't know how they're going to do season 2 because in the game, Ellie's grown, both height-wise and physically. She actually looks like a very strong person. If they keep Bella Ramsey as Ellie, who is aged 14 in the show, I'm not sure I'd ever believe Bella Ramsey could play the role of a badass.
Overall, beyond a couple of things that annoy me, a superb season. Hard to discuss season 2 without getting into spoilers, though...
worm
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Video game last of us part 2 spoilers (do not click unless you played the game)
I am curious how they handle Joel and by extension Abby. Are they going to show Abbys side from the start (what her motives are) and have Joel's death towards the end of the season? Or will they do some of the flashback scenes with Ellie and Joel.... Then have the death? Or will it be as in the game with Joel's death early.
Fuck I hate them making me play as Abby lol
Fuck I hate them making me play as Abby lol
GGpX
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Game 2 (and probable season 2) spoilers...
I'm sure I'm missing out some details, but what would make me happy for season 2 of the show? They take the premise, re-work it and change a few things. While I understand it contradicts my thoughts from a few posts earlier, the source material isn't bulletproof the way it was for the first game.
The second game's gameplay was tremendous. A good chunk of the time when I'm playing, it's a shit-ton of fun...
...But the story and characters reeked of people who seemed all too happy to smell their own farts and tell the world how wonderful the odor was.
I don't mind killing off Joel. I really don't. How they killed him and emasculating him throughout the game was terrible. They took a real, legitimate badass and they turned him into a weak mutt.
Making Abby a playable character for literally half the game, then trying to make her a sympathetic figure and at a certain point playing her character to beat Ellie in a boss fight? That was such a fucking crock of shit. At the end you finally think, from the player's perspective they're finally going to get that moment of satisfaction, and... Ellie just lets her go before heading home empty-handed? What the fuck? The whole point of the game was... what? It ended up being a whole 'lota nothing.
And then the forced LGBTQ element of having a trans character without having the balls to outright say it? Gay characters, cool. Killing and torturing, par for the course. Mentioning a trans character without actually saying it out loud? Cowardly.
They had talked there being two factions: One that was Abby's faction and the other was that trans kid's faction, of whic that character ended up being expelled from, and that there was constant conflict between the two, but they didn't elaborate on much of anything about them before their village went up in flames near the end of the Seattle arc. You build them up, and yet we leave the game knowing next to nothing about them.
...But the story and characters reeked of people who seemed all too happy to smell their own farts and tell the world how wonderful the odor was.
I don't mind killing off Joel. I really don't. How they killed him and emasculating him throughout the game was terrible. They took a real, legitimate badass and they turned him into a weak mutt.
Making Abby a playable character for literally half the game, then trying to make her a sympathetic figure and at a certain point playing her character to beat Ellie in a boss fight? That was such a fucking crock of shit. At the end you finally think, from the player's perspective they're finally going to get that moment of satisfaction, and... Ellie just lets her go before heading home empty-handed? What the fuck? The whole point of the game was... what? It ended up being a whole 'lota nothing.
And then the forced LGBTQ element of having a trans character without having the balls to outright say it? Gay characters, cool. Killing and torturing, par for the course. Mentioning a trans character without actually saying it out loud? Cowardly.
They had talked there being two factions: One that was Abby's faction and the other was that trans kid's faction, of whic that character ended up being expelled from, and that there was constant conflict between the two, but they didn't elaborate on much of anything about them before their village went up in flames near the end of the Seattle arc. You build them up, and yet we leave the game knowing next to nothing about them.
I'm sure I'm missing out some details, but what would make me happy for season 2 of the show? They take the premise, re-work it and change a few things. While I understand it contradicts my thoughts from a few posts earlier, the source material isn't bulletproof the way it was for the first game.
worm
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I never really saw Joel as some super badass. Probably because they clickers kicked my ass so much. No issue with the way he died. The way he died made me want to seek so much revenge.
I re played the games back to back as the show started and it just makes you hate Abby so much more. I agree with you making half the game about her. Which is why I figure the show either shows her side more early on. Because let's face it... We all just murdered her dad as Joel in the first game. Or the just straight up make her a big evil character.
It took me awhile to figure out what trans person you were talking about. I tried to finish the Abby part as quick as possible so it barley registered . Having a visible minority son and seeing how my wife talks to him about being represented... It really does matter. Doesn't really impact me that the kid was trans but it does for trans folks and agreed they should have just said it (they did do the same thing for Bill being gay).
The second play through made the Ellie and Joel flashbacks seem terrible though. They were the worst part of the second game.
Agreed with the ending. Wish they would have given you a choice. I so would have murdered Abby.
Game Ellie was more likeable than Show Ellie so let's see how this plays out with Abby on the show.
PS. Was awesome to see Ellie as the mom. Hit home more than having Joel be a creeps friend.
I re played the games back to back as the show started and it just makes you hate Abby so much more. I agree with you making half the game about her. Which is why I figure the show either shows her side more early on. Because let's face it... We all just murdered her dad as Joel in the first game. Or the just straight up make her a big evil character.
It took me awhile to figure out what trans person you were talking about. I tried to finish the Abby part as quick as possible so it barley registered . Having a visible minority son and seeing how my wife talks to him about being represented... It really does matter. Doesn't really impact me that the kid was trans but it does for trans folks and agreed they should have just said it (they did do the same thing for Bill being gay).
The second play through made the Ellie and Joel flashbacks seem terrible though. They were the worst part of the second game.
Agreed with the ending. Wish they would have given you a choice. I so would have murdered Abby.
Game Ellie was more likeable than Show Ellie so let's see how this plays out with Abby on the show.
PS. Was awesome to see Ellie as the mom. Hit home more than having Joel be a creeps friend.
MindzEye
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That's not a thing, shut up.
LeafOfFaith
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Digital baby cartoon shit.
worm
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Click it
SundinsTooth
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Video game stories are the shit I bash x to until they go away and I can blow shit up again
GGpX
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I don't care about representation or lack thereof personally, the same way I don't care that Ellie's a lesbian, the Bill/Frank relationship or that Sam was deaf in the show. My questions for that stuff always starts & end with, is it actually good or just force-fed LGBTQ stuff because it needs representation? If the Bill & Frank episode were a male & female couple, it still would have been great. I'm interested in storytelling and characters that catch my attention. Everything else is noise. I watch shows/sports or play games to escape the real world shit, the last thing I want is to be force-fed it.
Just like I didn't care that the kid was trans, except that they skirted around the issue over and over without actually saying it. If you're going to have a trans character and his storyline is that he was kicked out of his village/cult because he was trans? Then grow a fucking pair of balls and say so. Don't be coy about it.
I don't know how you don't think Joel wasn't a badass, you do badass shit with him for virtually the entirety of the first game, but fine, difference of opinion. He wasn't weak either. He had some grit to him. He's a guy who had seen some real shit. But in the second game? He looked like a domesticated house animal. One of the issues I have with Joel dying in the way he did was, what was the net positive that came with it? Joel was killed almost immediately in the second game for revenge because he killed Abby's father, so Ellie's... going to do... the exact same thing...? Whereas if, for example, they had killed Tommy instead, mistaking him for Joel (or whatever plotline you want). Joel & Ellie go to Seattle for revenge, and Joel ends up getting killed there? And Ellie finds out the truth about what happened in Salt Lake City from Abby there? There could have a way to make the motive better, the story better, would have made Abby into a much better antagonist and you could have built her into a hateable character like they did with David The Cannibal. And better yet, you could have figured out a way where Joel & Ellie were split up somehow and you had to play both of them for large chunks of the game before the inevitable moment Joel died.
You know there's a major flaw in the game when half the game is spent playing a character that is universally disliked and that character has to defeat at two different times the two stars of the franchise. That was a major fuck-up.
I agree that game Ellie was more likeable than the TV version, but that's because there was much more time permitted for banter and just socializing between the characters. Unfortunately, you can't have characters socializing on a TV show while exploring a fourth straight building looking for loot.
There's part of me that would like a third TLOU game, but I don't want to revisit Ellie & co. I would have been perfectly fine if the first game had ended and they never revisited that set of characters, while instead creating new characters with their own story. Maybe somewhere like Louisiana, Alabama? During the events happening simultaneously as the first game.
Just like I didn't care that the kid was trans, except that they skirted around the issue over and over without actually saying it. If you're going to have a trans character and his storyline is that he was kicked out of his village/cult because he was trans? Then grow a fucking pair of balls and say so. Don't be coy about it.
I don't know how you don't think Joel wasn't a badass, you do badass shit with him for virtually the entirety of the first game, but fine, difference of opinion. He wasn't weak either. He had some grit to him. He's a guy who had seen some real shit. But in the second game? He looked like a domesticated house animal. One of the issues I have with Joel dying in the way he did was, what was the net positive that came with it? Joel was killed almost immediately in the second game for revenge because he killed Abby's father, so Ellie's... going to do... the exact same thing...? Whereas if, for example, they had killed Tommy instead, mistaking him for Joel (or whatever plotline you want). Joel & Ellie go to Seattle for revenge, and Joel ends up getting killed there? And Ellie finds out the truth about what happened in Salt Lake City from Abby there? There could have a way to make the motive better, the story better, would have made Abby into a much better antagonist and you could have built her into a hateable character like they did with David The Cannibal. And better yet, you could have figured out a way where Joel & Ellie were split up somehow and you had to play both of them for large chunks of the game before the inevitable moment Joel died.
You know there's a major flaw in the game when half the game is spent playing a character that is universally disliked and that character has to defeat at two different times the two stars of the franchise. That was a major fuck-up.
I agree that game Ellie was more likeable than the TV version, but that's because there was much more time permitted for banter and just socializing between the characters. Unfortunately, you can't have characters socializing on a TV show while exploring a fourth straight building looking for loot.
There's part of me that would like a third TLOU game, but I don't want to revisit Ellie & co. I would have been perfectly fine if the first game had ended and they never revisited that set of characters, while instead creating new characters with their own story. Maybe somewhere like Louisiana, Alabama? During the events happening simultaneously as the first game.