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OT: Movies/TV Shows

LeafOfFaith said:
Jesse James is a strange one. I think I've read Brad Pitt saying it's the favorite film he's done.

I saw it back when it came out, but never again since then. It was okay, maybe pretty good, but not an amazing film, and I'm the biggest Brad fan here.
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It’s amazing and maybe his best performance…read the historical fiction novel it’s based on this past year and it’s pretty great in its own right, but it’s kinda cheating now that you can visualize Piit & Affleck in the respective roles.

Has a remarkable cast overall…..Jeremy Renner, Sam Sheppard and Sam Rockwell 👌🏼👌🏼
 
Montana said:
It’s amazing and maybe his best performance…read the historical fiction novel it’s based on this past year and it’s pretty great in its own right, but it’s kinda cheating now that you can visualize Piit & Affleck in the respective roles.

Has a remarkable cast overall…..Jeremy Renner, Sam Sheppard and Sam Rockwell 👌🏼👌🏼
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If I told you I remembered even 30 seconds of it, I'd be lying. It didn't make a mark.

I just recall it was a very, very slow burn. I'd be down to watch again after all these years.
 
love the contrast between these two clips..


View: https://www.tiktok.com/@filmmer18/video/7243093904021572865?lang=en



View: https://youtu.be/6umqLIDIPds?si=LL8TSy_f611Cqkfu

Yes she’s trying to fulfill his vision, but she’s also basically finding his movie for him…and the amount of influence he gave her…from cutting & cutting, to framing the tone, the amount of violence Vs humour, the pacing, etc etc etc…..just kinda wild how huge a collaborator she was, relative to her non-cinephile anonymity.
 
axlsalinger said:
Great video showing how a few subtle changes saved the film.
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I’ve bought this book for a number of my Star Wars friends, and it’s apparently a incredible behind the scenes of just how much George’s ex-wife also ’saved’ Star Wars, and how all the Joseph Campbell mythology etc, was something Campbell brought up after seeing it or something and George aped it and would then regurgitate it all as if that was his intention all along, haha….or something to that effect.

havent read it myself only heard various anecdotes from it from these friends, but it sounds like a pretty insightful read for any Star Wars junkies.


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oscarheyman said:
hmm...I just realized there was a counterpoint video of sorts to the clip I just posted:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqVGz6mOVE

Never a bad thing to have various points of views on a subject.
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took me a few days to get through half of that......


....but of course this guy is absolutely right and the first video guy is a dum dum.

of course this 2nd video could, ironically, really really use an editor.
 
zeke said:
took me a few days to get through half of that......


....but of course this guy is absolutely right and the first video guy is a dum dum.

of course this 2nd video could, ironically, really really use an editor.
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Just jumping around checking out some of the second guys points, and he strikes me as pretty dumb himself…a few times he just narrates that the same thing happens in both cuts….as if that makes the equivalent in value somehow?

Yes cutting to Luke in a goofy bucket hat & a robot is more dull that cutting to Luke with his Uncle with massive machinery and tons of robots & aliens negotiating the sale of said robots….which was (to my knowledge) a pretty fresh concept in grounding the universe in a reality where buying second hand robots, is like buying a used car or second hand electric tools….immediately giving the universe a recognizable lived in feel, while simultaneously being exotic & futuristic.

….so yeah, cutting to one has a vastly different feel and impact than cutting to the other. /2 cents.


…but I’m a non-professor, non-smarmy video essay guy…..I’m just some regular old smarmy guy.
 
Montana said:
Just jumping around checking out some of the second guys points, and he strikes me as pretty dumb himself…a few times he just narrates that the same thing happens in both cuts….as if that makes the equivalent in value somehow?

Yes cutting to Luke in a goofy bucket hat & a robot is more dull that cutting to Luke with his Uncle with massive machinery and tons of robots & aliens negotiating the sale of said robots….which was (to my knowledge) a pretty fresh concept in grounding the universe in a reality where buying second hand robots, is like buying a used car or second hand electric tools….immediately giving the universe a recognizable lived in feel, while simultaneously being exotic & futuristic.

….so yeah, cutting to one has a vastly different feel and impact than cutting to the other. /2 cents.


…but I’m a non-professor, non-smarmy video essay guy…..I’m just some regular old smarmy guy.
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Like I said, he needs an editor, because you have to slog through a lot of him sarcastically mocking the first guy to get to his actual points...but his points turn out to be bang on.

That example you cite there - the point ends up being is that cutting to Luke with his Uncle was actually George's original script, but because there were concerns about George's idea of centering the story from the Droids' POV (taken from Kurosawa), they shot some other scenes to add Luke in earlier into the story....and then by the end they took them out and stuck with George's original script.

He also points out that one of the main voices arguing to keep those scenes in the movie was......his wife, the editor who the first video guy is trying to praise for "saving" the film with her editing, who herself was the editor who put those scenes together for the rough cut in the first place.

But yeah he also points out that the first video guy's actual reasons he gives for cuts being good cuts is just him sorta just saying they're good cuts, without any good explanation.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
Maybe a top three whiff for you and fuck me, that’s saying something
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Editing is an important process in filmmaking but any film that needs editing to "save" it isn't a good film. A good film doesn't need to be "saved", it merely needs to be enhanced, refined, or perfected. Saving it implies that you took a dogshit movie and turned it into a mediocre movie.

Of course, most sci-fi movies are dogshit adaptations of tedious novels made for audiences full of microwave-ready nerds who have already dedicated their lives to it and will watch it even just to hate on it.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Editing is an important process in filmmaking but any film that needs editing to "save" it isn't a good film. A good film doesn't need to be "saved", it merely needs to be enhanced, refined, or perfected. Saving it implies that you took a dogshit movie and turned it into a mediocre movie.

Of course, most sci-fi movies are dogshit adaptations of tedious novels made for audiences full of microwave-ready nerds who have already dedicated their lives to it and will watch it even just to hate on it.
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Sir this is a Wendy's.
 
A film isn't a film without being edited, calling it a film just because a collection of scenes were shot shows a deep misunderstanding of how they're made.

Films are made in the editing suite. The best on camera performances are wasted without pacing, tension, narrative, etc.
 
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