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You're losing to a vastly superior team.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
I will get banned again soon, worry not.
Bad teams rarely get the better of unbeaten teams. I think the Bills deserve a mulligan on this one. The Bengals have beaten better teams than Buffalo already this season.
I feel your pain this year.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
I will get banned again soon, worry not.
Seahawks choke badly at home giving up the winning TD in the final minute on a long Carolina drive.
Looks like their window of opportunity has closed. They'll never recover from that botched play that cost them the Super Bowl.
Looks like their window of opportunity has closed. They'll never recover from that botched play that cost them the Super Bowl.
GrandWazoo
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They've become professional 4th quarter chokers, it's disgusting.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
I will get banned again soon, worry not.
fortunately, the Packers did not choke but came up with a game-saving play on the goal line to preserve their perfect season.
BKerr
Banned
Oh **** off and shut the **** up wilde.
I thought i was pretty hard on the concussion bandwagon, but this guy is a ****ing tool
Surely you aren't excited over beating a mediocre team and medicore QB
XPOFAN
New member
Over react much?
Yeah he's a total *******. Why does he care so much about other's head injuries.
XPOFAN
New member
Do they have medical training?
BKerr
Banned
Yes they are trained neurologists
XPOFAN
New member
That's good. The hockey ones I think do not
BKerr
Banned
Sorry not neurologists but certified athletic trainers with medical backgrounds.
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Explore This SectionFREQUENCY COORDINATORSATC SPOTTERSNFL FIELD CERTIFICATIONNFL GAME BALL PROCEDURES
ATC SPOTTERS
Since 2012, ATC spotters have served as another set of eyes, watching for potential injuries from the press box.
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When the NFL set up an injury video review system near the end of the 2011 season, it paid off almost immediately.
Trainers tend to Cleveland Browns quarterback Colt McCoy (12) after he was hit by Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker James Harrison in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Dec. 8, 2011.*(AP Photo/Don Wright)
The league instituted the system after Cleveland Browns quarterback Colt McCoy took a helmet-to-helmet hit in a Dec. 8, 2011, contest and was sent back into the game without being tested for a concussion. The Browns said that the team’s trainers didn’t see the hit because they were tending to other players and that no one told them about it.
After the game, McCoy was diagnosed with a concussion.
“It seems inconceivable, but nobody alerted anyone,” team president Mike Holmgren said after he met with representatives of the NFL and the players union about the incident. “So how do we do this so the doctors get the information they need? Best thing we could come up with is putting in a process to have somebody say something.”
The league responded quickly: Within two weeks, independent certified athletic trainers (ATC spotters) were in place at every NFL game to serve as another set of eyes, watching for potential injuries. A video component was added to the new system before the wild card playoff games on Jan. 7 and 8, 2012.
In one of those games, a player took a knee to his helmet. The player went down, got up within 30 seconds and stumbled off the field. His teammates urged the team’s trainers to check him for a concussion, and he almost “faked” his way through the evaluation and went back into the game — until the team's head athletic trainer checked the video and saw that the player had collapsed from wooziness before getting back on his feet.
Seeing the potential benefit to player safety, the NFL permanently instituted a more sophisticated system before the start of the 2012 season.
“What we found was doctors and trainers either miss injuries on the field because they’re dealing with other players or they have an obstructed view — you have 350-pound guys standing in front of you, you’re not going to see it.”
*BLAKE JONES, DIRECTOR OF NFL FOOTBALL OPERATIONS
ON-FIELD INJURY DETECTION AND INTERVENTION
The ATC spotter’s primary role is to observe play on the field and monitor the broadcast feed of that game to identify players who may potentially be injured on a play, with an emphasis on concussions and other head and neck injuries.
Using the injury video review system’s monitor and recording equipment to monitor, the ATC spotter watches and reviews network footage of the game. If the ATC spotter observes a play that may have resulted in a concussion or injury on the field, he or she will call that team’s bench area to speak with a credentialed team physician or the head athletic trainer to relay the details of the potential injury he or she observed. The spotter will confirm the player’s jersey number and the situation in which the injury may have occurred.
The ATC spotter must speak directly to the team physician, unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant, or head athletic trainer when reviewing a potential injury —*the person who is assigned to answer the bench phones cannot relay the information to the team medical personnel.
The ATC spotter does not diagnose any injuries or suggest treatment, but simply alerts the team’s medical personnel to a potential injury, as well as describing how the injury happened when possible.
The injury video review system uses NFL Vision technology and the broadcast feed to allow the ATC spotter to watch the feed and the play on the field. From high above the field, the spotter, with help from an injury video technician, looks for potential injuries, with a special focus on concussions and other head and neck issues.
When the spotter spots a potential problem — either in real time or after reviewing replays — he or she tells the technician to tag and label the video. Blake Jones, director of NFL Football Operations, estimates that this happens about 10 times per game, noting that some of those may fall into the “better safe than sorry” category or be marked for post-game review.
When immediate action is required, the spotter can call the bench to speak with the team physician or head athletic trainerand provide details of a potential injury. The spotter can send the video via fiber optic cable to a sideline monitor where the physician or trainer can see the play. The medical staff, assisted by an on-field injury video technician, can ask for slow motion, specific angles, rewind and more.
STOPPING THE GAME
New in 2015, ATC spotters may use a medical timeout to stop the game to remove a player from the field for medical examination. The spotter can only stop play with*clear visual evidence*of two very specific criteria:
A player who displays obvious signs of disorientation or is clearly unstable; andIf it becomes apparent that the player is attempting to remain in the game and not be attended to by the club’s medical or athletic training staff.
If a situation meets these narrowly defined circumstances, the ATC spotter will take the following steps:
If a player does not receive medical attention, the spotter will contact the designated game official and identify the player by his team and jersey number using the official-to-official communication system .Contact the medical staff for the team of player involved and advise them that the player appears to be in need of medical attention.
The designated game official will immediately stop the game, go to the player in question and wait for the team’s medical personnel to arrive and ensure that the player is attended to and escorted off the field.
The game and play clock will stop (if running), and remain off until the player is removed from the game. Both clocks will start again unless the play clock was stopped inside 10 seconds, in which case it will be reset to 10 seconds.
The player’s team will have an opportunity to replace him with a substitute, and the opponent will be able to match up as necessary. No member of the team’s coaching staff may go on to the playing field, and no other players may go to the sideline unless he will be replaced by a substitute.
Once the player is removed from the field, the team medical staff will conduct an evaluation of him as required by the governing protocols before making any decision regarding the player’s eligibility to return to play. The medical staff will make the return-to-play decision consistent with the leagues protocols.
Player evaluations must last at least one play, unless the team decides to take a timeout, the period ends, the two-minute warning occurs or the injury was due to a foul by an opponent. An injury timeout will not be charged to a team that has a player removed during this process.
All ATC spotters are retained and assigned by the NFL and must meet the following criteria:
Maintain a current certification by the NATA BOCHave an undergraduate degree from a four-year programHave a minimum of 10 years’ experience as an ATCHave major college and/or professional sports experienceNever have been employed as a Head Athletic Trainer by an NFL teamHave not been employed by an NFL team in the past 20 years
From nfl.com
GAMEDAY
Explore This SectionFREQUENCY COORDINATORSATC SPOTTERSNFL FIELD CERTIFICATIONNFL GAME BALL PROCEDURES
ATC SPOTTERS
Since 2012, ATC spotters have served as another set of eyes, watching for potential injuries from the press box.
SHARE THIS PAGEShare
When the NFL set up an injury video review system near the end of the 2011 season, it paid off almost immediately.
Trainers tend to Cleveland Browns quarterback Colt McCoy (12) after he was hit by Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker James Harrison in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game in Pittsburgh on Dec. 8, 2011.*(AP Photo/Don Wright)
The league instituted the system after Cleveland Browns quarterback Colt McCoy took a helmet-to-helmet hit in a Dec. 8, 2011, contest and was sent back into the game without being tested for a concussion. The Browns said that the team’s trainers didn’t see the hit because they were tending to other players and that no one told them about it.
After the game, McCoy was diagnosed with a concussion.
“It seems inconceivable, but nobody alerted anyone,” team president Mike Holmgren said after he met with representatives of the NFL and the players union about the incident. “So how do we do this so the doctors get the information they need? Best thing we could come up with is putting in a process to have somebody say something.”
The league responded quickly: Within two weeks, independent certified athletic trainers (ATC spotters) were in place at every NFL game to serve as another set of eyes, watching for potential injuries. A video component was added to the new system before the wild card playoff games on Jan. 7 and 8, 2012.
In one of those games, a player took a knee to his helmet. The player went down, got up within 30 seconds and stumbled off the field. His teammates urged the team’s trainers to check him for a concussion, and he almost “faked” his way through the evaluation and went back into the game — until the team's head athletic trainer checked the video and saw that the player had collapsed from wooziness before getting back on his feet.
Seeing the potential benefit to player safety, the NFL permanently instituted a more sophisticated system before the start of the 2012 season.
“What we found was doctors and trainers either miss injuries on the field because they’re dealing with other players or they have an obstructed view — you have 350-pound guys standing in front of you, you’re not going to see it.”
*BLAKE JONES, DIRECTOR OF NFL FOOTBALL OPERATIONS
ON-FIELD INJURY DETECTION AND INTERVENTION
The ATC spotter’s primary role is to observe play on the field and monitor the broadcast feed of that game to identify players who may potentially be injured on a play, with an emphasis on concussions and other head and neck injuries.
Using the injury video review system’s monitor and recording equipment to monitor, the ATC spotter watches and reviews network footage of the game. If the ATC spotter observes a play that may have resulted in a concussion or injury on the field, he or she will call that team’s bench area to speak with a credentialed team physician or the head athletic trainer to relay the details of the potential injury he or she observed. The spotter will confirm the player’s jersey number and the situation in which the injury may have occurred.
The ATC spotter must speak directly to the team physician, unaffiliated neurotrauma consultant, or head athletic trainer when reviewing a potential injury —*the person who is assigned to answer the bench phones cannot relay the information to the team medical personnel.
The ATC spotter does not diagnose any injuries or suggest treatment, but simply alerts the team’s medical personnel to a potential injury, as well as describing how the injury happened when possible.
The injury video review system uses NFL Vision technology and the broadcast feed to allow the ATC spotter to watch the feed and the play on the field. From high above the field, the spotter, with help from an injury video technician, looks for potential injuries, with a special focus on concussions and other head and neck issues.
When the spotter spots a potential problem — either in real time or after reviewing replays — he or she tells the technician to tag and label the video. Blake Jones, director of NFL Football Operations, estimates that this happens about 10 times per game, noting that some of those may fall into the “better safe than sorry” category or be marked for post-game review.
When immediate action is required, the spotter can call the bench to speak with the team physician or head athletic trainerand provide details of a potential injury. The spotter can send the video via fiber optic cable to a sideline monitor where the physician or trainer can see the play. The medical staff, assisted by an on-field injury video technician, can ask for slow motion, specific angles, rewind and more.
STOPPING THE GAME
New in 2015, ATC spotters may use a medical timeout to stop the game to remove a player from the field for medical examination. The spotter can only stop play with*clear visual evidence*of two very specific criteria:
A player who displays obvious signs of disorientation or is clearly unstable; andIf it becomes apparent that the player is attempting to remain in the game and not be attended to by the club’s medical or athletic training staff.
If a situation meets these narrowly defined circumstances, the ATC spotter will take the following steps:
If a player does not receive medical attention, the spotter will contact the designated game official and identify the player by his team and jersey number using the official-to-official communication system .Contact the medical staff for the team of player involved and advise them that the player appears to be in need of medical attention.
The designated game official will immediately stop the game, go to the player in question and wait for the team’s medical personnel to arrive and ensure that the player is attended to and escorted off the field.
The game and play clock will stop (if running), and remain off until the player is removed from the game. Both clocks will start again unless the play clock was stopped inside 10 seconds, in which case it will be reset to 10 seconds.
The player’s team will have an opportunity to replace him with a substitute, and the opponent will be able to match up as necessary. No member of the team’s coaching staff may go on to the playing field, and no other players may go to the sideline unless he will be replaced by a substitute.
Once the player is removed from the field, the team medical staff will conduct an evaluation of him as required by the governing protocols before making any decision regarding the player’s eligibility to return to play. The medical staff will make the return-to-play decision consistent with the leagues protocols.
Player evaluations must last at least one play, unless the team decides to take a timeout, the period ends, the two-minute warning occurs or the injury was due to a foul by an opponent. An injury timeout will not be charged to a team that has a player removed during this process.
All ATC spotters are retained and assigned by the NFL and must meet the following criteria:
Maintain a current certification by the NATA BOCHave an undergraduate degree from a four-year programHave a minimum of 10 years’ experience as an ATCHave major college and/or professional sports experienceNever have been employed as a Head Athletic Trainer by an NFL teamHave not been employed by an NFL team in the past 20 years
BKerr
Banned
The nhl ones are medically trained... however the league has given them zero power to decide if a player needs to go to the quiet room or not.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...cussion-spotters-are-toothless-195823020.html
XPOFAN
New member
So what is their purpose?