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OT: The News Thread

10pm on a sunday night?

would it be busy at that time?

seems like an odd time for a terrorist attack (if that is what it is)

2 dead victims, and the shooter (a 29 year old) is dead
 
worm said:
10pm on a sunday night?

would it be busy at that time?

seems like an odd time for a terrorist attack (if that is what it is)

2 dead victims, and the shooter (a 29 year old) is dead
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It’s a dense stretch of restos and bars. Lots of patios. Always busy on a nice summer night.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Almost coincides with the no-carding mandate.
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This seems like a bit of a stretch.

And a bit silly when the two biggest incidents of violence in the city have been carried out by white dudes in their mid-to-late 20's who never would have been carded. And when a bunch of these shootings have taken place outside of the predominantly black neighbourhoods where police love to focus their "carding" efforts.
 
LeafGm said:
This seems like a bit of a stretch.

And a bit silly when the two biggest incidents of violence in the city have been carried out by white dudes in their mid-to-late 20's who never would have been carded. And when a bunch of these shootings have taken place outside of the predominantly black neighbourhoods where police love to focus their "carding" efforts.
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Yep. If you remove the incel attack and this one (which as you pointed out, the data suggests that carding wouldn't have done shit to stop either), Toronto is basically as dangerous as it was in 2016.

Fwiw, Ontario police can still "card" people. They just need to explain why they're stopping the person and provide a receipt of the interaction. If they think someone is sketchy looking, they can still manufacture a reason to question them, they just have to actually do a bit of work to justify and record the transaction...the ****ing horror.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Not this incident, but if you look when the uptick occurred instead of crying into your liberal beer you might see a pattern.
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So your argument is that 2018, which has been about as violent as 2016 is violent because Police aren't allowed to harass visible minorities with impunity anymore? They can still harass them, they just need to manufacture a reason and document the interaction.

What the **** is liberal beer? Don't be a twit.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Not this incident, but if you look when the uptick occurred instead of crying into your liberal beer you might see a pattern.
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Personally, I prefer centrist whiskey to liberal beer. On the rocks if it's mid-shelf or less, or neat if it's some top-shelf stuff.

And salt actually doesn't go too well with whiskey, so I try to keep any tears away from the glass.
 
And just for educational purposes:

Shootings in Toronto:

2015: 288
2016: 407
2017: 395
2018: 228 YTD

2018 extrapolated over 365 days puts Toronto in the 415 range, but that ignores the higher prevalence of shootings in the summer months. Don't get me wrong, ~400 shootings a year isn't good, especially considering that the city used to be well under 200 shootings a year. But this entire line about tying this to the demise of unfettered carding (which again I have to repeat, is still allowed as long the person being interacted with is given a reason, the interaction is documented, and a receipt is provided to the person) is nonsense.
 
Bleedsblue&white said:
Not this incident, but if you look when the uptick occurred instead of crying into your liberal beer you might see a pattern.
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...and just to bring up another point.

I mean, I haven't seen any convincing proof that "carding" is actually an effective policy when it comes to preventing crime. But for the sake of argument, let's say that it is.

Do you really not have a problem with handing police the blanket right to ignore civil liberties, and stop/search/question/document random people on the street with no probable cause? And do you really not have a problem with the police using that power overwhelmingly against one particular ethnic group?

For you, is this just a case of "the ends justify the means"? And if so, how far are you comfortable with society/the police taking that notion?
 
I mean, I haven't seen any convincing proof that "carding" is actually an effective policy when it comes to preventing crime. But for the sake of argument, let's say that it is.
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Don't bother. New York City went from 686,000 "Stop & Frisk" interactions in 2011 and it dropped to 16,000 by 2016 before being eliminated entirely. New York has seen 4 of their best 5 years (since 1960) for crime rates of basically every stripe (violent, property, etc) since the stop and frisk rates feel through the floor.

It's not an effective policing technique and every study done on it, when in the US or Canada, has shown that it leads to visible minorities getting stopped way more than their proportional representation in that areas crime rates suggests is appropriate.
 
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