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Really? Sure sounds like you did, just a couple of posts up on this page.


If you'd asked anybody on Friday, including legal experts: "what's wrong with refusing to present ID or submit to a search from a police officer who can provide no probable cause to conduct that search"? The answer would've been "nothing". But unbeknownst to anyone that doesn't peruse the provincial government's "e-laws" website daily for their own amusement, that would have been the wrong answer, and would have resulted in them getting arrested. I have a major problem with that. You apparantly don't.
If it sounds like I did, then post it.

And this isn't a normal Friday. What did you want them to do, take out a full page add in every major newspaper?

You're right. I don't have a problem with our elected officials crafting a temporary law in order to give our police forces a greater ability to control a potentially unruly mob. Why? Because I trust our police officers and for the most part, the politicians in charge.

We're in Canada, no one would ever suggest this type of punitive measure be extended into daily life. It's TEMPORARY. Deal with it.
 
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If it sounds like I did, then post it.
Sure:

There is a sympathetic group of young people dressed in all black and clown garb that I'm sure are interested in your ramblings.


And this isn't a normal Friday. What did you want them to do, take out a full page add in every major newspaper?

You're right. I don't have a problem with our elected officials crafting a temporary law in order to give our police forces a greater ability to control a potentially unruly mob. Why? Because I trust our police officers and for the most part, the politicians in charge.

We're in Canada, no one would ever suggest this type of punitive measure be extended into daily life. It's TEMPORARY. Deal with it.
Again, firstly, I don't believe that the suspension of probable cause was legal, or necessary. But secondly, and what should be the simplest part of this argument: how hard is it to hold a bloody press conference or even issue a press release to inform the citizens of Toronto about a pretty fundamental (albeit temporary) change of their rights? It's this key second part of the argument that you keep tap-dancing around.
 
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Cork, after Dziekanski (sp) not sure how you can ever trust the police again.
Robert Dziekanski was an alcoholic, schizophrenic, Polish immigrant who lost control in a Canadian airport. What the police did was no worse than if they physically took him to the ground.

In the end the altercation was captured on video and became a catalyst for all of the cop-hating Canadians that wish to smear law enforcement at any turn.

Quite honestly, Dziekanski should have been put back on the first plane heading back across the Atlantic and never granted access again.

What the police did after the fact is unacceptable, but I'd probably lie to save my bacon too, if there was a public witch hunt coming for me.
 
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Look my brother is a cop and I always am quick to side with them, but they shouldn't have needed to lie if they were in the right.
 
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Look my brother is a cop and I always am quick to side with them, but they shouldn't have needed to lie if they were in the right.
They were scared. An unfair shitstorm came their way all because they deployed a weapon given to them by the state.

It just so happens that a man died when everyone was oversensitive about tasers.

They didn't stand a chance.
 
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Good reads.

The cops seemed pretty damn organized when they were herding people around town, yet nobody thought that parking a few of their cars in the middle of the streets and leaving them unattended was a bad idea? None of the (what, 10,000?) cops thought it was a good idea to keep an eye on the group of black blocks who made their intentions known well before the thing even started?

I guess a billion dollars doesn't buy what it used to.
 
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police everywhere have clearly abused Tasers.

the fact that Taser Inc. marketing them as 100% non-lethal was part of the problem - giving the police a weapon like that that they think can never kill anyone is a recipe for abuse.

but that still doesn't excuse the Police for abusing them.

anyone who has seen a Taser in action knows that it completely incapacitates with one shot.
 
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May Toronto's G20 be the last

It's not just the $1bn policing; the failure to tackle the financial crisis or climate change exposes a forum without credibility


John Hilary
Sunday 27 June 2010

To a foreigner, the Canadian police are a confusing bunch. With Toronto locked down for the G20 summit, several of them have been cycling around the deserted streets on mountain bikes presenting what we would see as the very picture of community policing. Yet side by side with this benign image is an intimidating, militarised presence that many Canadians feel has been deliberately cultivated in order to undermine their right to protest against the G20 and its damaging impacts.

The security operation on the streets of Toronto has provided Canadians with the greatest single talking point of the G20 gathering this weekend. Many locals are furious at the $1bn price tag for policing a summit which they never wanted to host in the first place. As John Clarke of the Ontario Coalition Against Poverty pointed out, that same money could have paid for five years of the provincial food supplement programme that has just been scrapped in the latest round of austerity cuts.

The high level of militarisation that has been witnessed over the past couple of days has also been a major talking point, as Canadians are not accustomed to seeing such weaponry being so openly paraded at civil demonstrations. One small protest against poverty and homelessness in Toronto itself was quickly surrounded by vast numbers of police in full riot gear, including mounted police. More chilling still was the visible presence of heavily armed officers touting tear gas rifles and other firearms; police have also confirmed firing plastic bullets and pepper spray capsules at demonstrators on Saturday night.

Many Canadians have become suspicious of police tactics since the Quebec police force admitted that it had disguised three of its own officers as rock-wielding anarchists in an attempt to provoke violence at a peaceful protest in the town of Montebello two years ago. Somewhat farcically, the three were exposed as agents provocateurs when they were found to be wearing official issue police boots identical to those of the uniformed officers "arresting" them.

There are concerns that similar skulduggery may have played a part in Toronto this weekend, where the burning of three police cars quickly became the defining image of Saturday's otherwise peaceful demonstration. Questions are being asked as to why the police chose to drive the vehicles into the middle of a group of protesters and then abandon them, and why there was no attempt to put out the flames until the nation's media had been given time to record the scenes for broadcast around the world.

The fact that so much attention has been directed towards the policing is largely due to the lack of anything newsworthy coming out of the summit itself. Even David Cameron, attending for the first time as British prime minister, published his own desperate plea in the Canadian press this week for summits to be turned into something more than the hot air and photo opportunities they have been in the past. (How this relates to his stated intention to take time out to watch the second half of the England v Germany game with Angela Merkel was not made clear.)

As an invitation-only club whose membership was literally drawn up on the back of an envelope, the G20 never laid any claim to legitimacy. Now it is also in danger of losing any credibility as a forum for global economic governance. Its failure to address any of the structural problems that caused the financial and economic crises of the past three years has certainly not gone unnoticed in Toronto, let alone its complete refusal to deal with the challenge of climate change.

Unbelievably, the G20 is scheduled to hold its next summit in just a few months. If the Canadian experience has taught us anything, it is that such meetings are simply not worth the candle. There are more than enough forums already available for national leaders to discuss the key issues of our time, and almost every one of them has a greater claim to openness and inclusivity than the G20. Now is the time to end the charade of these summits once and for all.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/27/g20-toronto-policing-charade/print

Thanks for the link, zeke. Thought it should be posted in full.

As I posted while watching it unfold on CP24, that car that was lit up on Queen West was clearly staged. They then used that as a pretext to bring in a massive number of police to sweep the street and create a confrontation that was entirely unnecessary.

One guy did the damage - one guy, completely unimpeded, out in the open in an area where there had been at least 50 police just minutes earlier.
 
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my bros were down there observing with cameras and whatnot, and they're convinced the burning cars were laughably faked.
 
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my bros were down there observing with cameras and whatnot, and they're convinced the burning cars were laughably faked.

Glad I'm not the only one.

CP24 never ran the footage again, I don't think. It was just too obvious.
 
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what got me suspicious was watching the car burn while the firetruck stood there doing nothing for 5-10 minutes. and then finally, one quick spray and the fire was out.
 
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For me it was the guy standing on the car in the wide open with a crowd around and cameras rolling, nobody doing a thing, and the reporter on the street saying, "they're just letting him do it" ... and then he lit it on fire.

It was kinda strange how it went up in flames so quickly as well. I mean, I don't think I could light my car up from the interior if I tried.
 
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I watched on CP24 too, and the whole thing was entirely fishy.

I'm not even saying that the cops lit the cars on fire--just that they knew what was going to happen.

The two massive 'oversights' I listed above just don't add up.
 
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yeah, I'm definitely no conspiracy guy, anything but, but it was definitely fishy.
 
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