• Moderators, please send me a PM if you are unable to access mod permissions. Thanks, Habsy.

OT: The News Thread

Re: OT - The News Thread

Yep. People like to mock when you refer to this move as such, but that's the only way to describe it. I'm absolutely stunned that something like this could get passed behind closed doors by a small group of provincial cabinet members with no public debate, no legal test, no public announcement, nothing. The police just go to McGuinty, say "we want to be able to arrest people who don't present their papers and submit to be searched, with probable cause thrown out the window, and we want this whole thing kept quiet". And then BAM, it's done.

If what's been done here by the Toronto police and McGuinty is actually legal, then this is an absolutely massive flaw in our political and legal system that must be fixed IMMEDIATELY. Because then there's nothing in place to check the government and police's power and prevent them from inacting these kind of draconian secret rules wherever then want and whenever they what, for whatever reason they want.
What pitiful fear-mongering.

"Police State" and "Erosion of our civil liberties". are to you, as "9/11" and "terrorism" are to George W.

Both are catch phrases used to uselessly conjure up fear to what is otherwise a relatively innocuous threat.

I'm sure the left wing Mayor, Liberal Premiere, Conservative Federal government and various police forces are all plotting a fundamental change in our legislation to restrict Canadians freedoms. What a laugh.

Absolutely no one in Toronto, heck, even in the world, has any reason to be within 5 meters of the security perimeter unless they are part of the delegation or the police force. Sectioning off one area of the city, while police cars are being set ablaze has ABSOLUTELY zero impact on Canadian's freedom to go about their daily business.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

Demonstrators also broke the windows of dozens of businesses, including a Scotiabank, CIBC, a McDonald's and a Starbucks. Protesters also threw bricks at a CBC van, breaking its windows. TTC streetcars were abandoned on Queen Street; two were spraypainted with anti-summit graffit and anarchy symbols.

Come to think of it, we haven't heard from KB all day, have we?
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

According to Jays, the police should shoot to kill in retaliation.

Holy overreaction, batman.

Just like the whole security mega blob blighting downtown.

Whether it's anarchists, agent provocateurs, or whatever, it's just stupidity and hopefully no one got hurt.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

I forgot how completely logical and totally rational setting a police car on fire is. You're right, these protestors have something valuable to contribute.

:facepalm
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

Let's wait for some details.

In Quebec City there was some outrage over violence apparently started by protesters. It came out later that they were agent provocateurs planted by the RCMP.

Whatever the case, it's a car.
Yup, give pitchfork armed mob the benefit of the doubt.

And it's not just a car. It's a piece of property. And an important one at that. In fact, I hope that burning police car is the one would have been dispatched to save one of the rioters mother from a burning car.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

What pitiful fear-mongering.

"Police State" and "Erosion of our civil liberties". are to you, as "9/11" and "terrorism" are to George W.

Both are catch phrases used to uselessly conjure up fear to what is otherwise a relatively innocuous threat.

I'm sure the left wing Mayor, Liberal Premiere, Conservative Federal government and various police forces are all plotting a fundamental change in our legislation to restrict Canadians freedoms. What a laugh.

Absolutely no one in Toronto, heck, even in the world, has any reason to be within 5 meters of the security perimeter unless they are part of the delegation or the police force. Sectioning off one area of the city, while police cars are being set ablaze has ABSOLUTELY zero impact on Canadian's freedom to go about their daily business.
Again, missing the point.

Where have I said that I think Dalton McGuinty, Stephen Harper (who doesn't even appear to have been involved with these new laws) and Bill Blair are planning to permanently turn Canada into a totalitarian police state? That's not the argument here. The argument is that (which I'll seperate from the rest of this paragraph, and maybe bold too, so you'll actually get it):

They should not have been able to pass these laws in secret without any public debate, and they most certainly should not have avoided actually telling the public about these new laws they'd have to obey.

Are you actually telling me you disagree with that?
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

They should not have been able to pass these laws in secret without any public debate, and they most certainly should not have avoided actually telling the public about these new laws they'd have to obey.
Why the hell do we need a public debate on this matter? That's why we ELECT our officials.

You're scared of nothing.

There is nothing to obey. Just don't go where you temporarily aren't allowed.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

cork is failing to understand that it's a public street, for one. Secondly, nobody was informed.

Lawyers have speculated that its was kept secret so they could target and round up their targets. Sounds about right.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

Why the hell do we need a public debate on this matter? That's why we ELECT our officials.

You're scared of nothing.

There is nothing to obey. Just don't go where you temporarily aren't allowed.
House of commons, Ontario Legislature = public debate. 20 Cabinet ministers behind closed doors = not a public debate.

I also see that you're continuing to avoid the point that THEY DIDN'T TELL ANYBODY ABOUT THIS NEW LAW. What is your defense for that?
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

cork is failing to understand that it's a public street, for one. Secondly, nobody was informed.

Lawyers have speculated that its was kept secret so they could target and round up their targets. Sounds about right.
Human rights lawyers, I bet.

Who cares if it's a public street. The PM's home is owned by the State, should I be allowed to go knock on his door?
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

House of commons, Ontario Legislature = public debate. 20 Cabinet ministers behind closed doors = not a public debate.

I also see that you're continuing to avoid the point that THEY DIDN'T TELL ANYBODY ABOUT THIS NEW LAW. What is your defense for that?
A press release was issued. How else do you think the story broke?

Should they have sent men out on horseback to alert the masses?
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

A press release was issued. How else do you think the story broke?

Should they have sent men out on horseback to alert the masses?
Oh, please. It was posted as a blurb on an obscure "legal news" government website. And the story broke because people started getting arrested under this new law yesterday.

A press release, at the very least, would have been a lot better. As would have a press conference.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

Sorry, next time the leaders from 20 of the largest countries drop by they'll get it right.

In the meantime let's cry about the fact we can't get onto a few city blocks and shrug off burning cop cars with "die pigs" written on it.

It's pathetic where your anger is being directed right now.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

Sorry, next time the leaders from 20 of the largest countries drop by they'll get it right.

In the meantime let's cry about the fact we can't get onto a few city blocks and shrug off burning cop cars with "die pigs" written on it.

It's pathetic where your anger is being directed right now.
Yes, the same bunch of anarchist morons that show up and torch police cars at every single G8 and G20 gathering are running around Toronto right now, so let's ignore the fact that McGuinty's cabinet and the police had a secret meeting to pass secret laws suspending basic civil liberties. That issue isn't worth talking about, and obviously if I do want to talk about it, I sympathize with, or at the very least don't care about people burning police cars.

The lack of critical thinking going on in that brain of yours is what's pathetic here.
 
Re: OT - The News Thread

I'm just wondering what the hell is the purposes of that undoubtedly overly expensive fence if people aren't allowed to go anywhere near it?

Isn't the fence itself supposed to be a security barrier. So we've got 14,000 police out there with nothing better to do than keep people away from a security fence that is in place to keep people away from people meeting behind closed doors.

Anyone else see the absurdity of this?
 
Back
Top