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Whoever is doing this shit are major a-holes -- common criminals who should be treated thusly.

Some reasonable views presented in this Globe article.

Hope for a peaceful G20 weekend disappeared after windows were smashed from police headquarters to the business district, and police cars were torched by a contingent of violent protesters.

Mayor David Miller angrily denounced the act of a small group of protesters who broke windows along Queen Street West and throughout the downtown core, and set two police cruisers ablaze.

“This isn’t our Toronto,” Mr. Miller told CP24. “My response is anger. We have thousands of people peaceably asserting their democratic right to speak up. And a relatively small group, probably a few hundred, mostly people who seem to be not from Toronto, come here on all evidence to commit deliberate acts of violence. I think all Torontonians should outraged by that.”

He said he had “absolute confidence” in Police Chief Bill Blair, and said the Chief had told him they intended to “move very strongly” against the violent protesters. But he also urged people to be calm, and if they are visiting the downtown area where violent protests are under way, to leave.

The Mayor said Torontonians should be angry with the violent protesters: “I think Torontonians should be very angry with people who would come to burn cars and break windows ... to make, I don’t know what kind of statement they intend to make, except about themselves.”

Constable Wendy Drummond, of the Integrated Security Unit, told the media police would use “the great resources” at their disposal to bring the situation to an end.

Constable Tim Garland, a spokesman for Toronto Police called the situation “pretty dynamic, pretty fluid,” and confirmed that police headquarters had been attacked, with some windows broken.

Asked whether Toronto Police will ever bring violent protesters to justice, he said, “we're going to do our best.”

Claudia Calabro, of the Toronto Community Mobilization Network, blamed today’s violence on police presence.

“People are angry when you pen them in,” she said. “The marshalling was extremely poor. The excessive police presence has completely bulldozed our message.”

Ms. Calabro said the group opposes the G20 and would not denounce the tactics of protesters.

City councillor Adam Vaughan appeared on television to appeal for the violence to stop.

“Everyone needs to take it back more than a notch,” he said on CP24. “It’s clearly inappropriate. I just hope we’ve seen the worse of it and we won’t see any more personal injury.”

Mr. Vaughan said this is why he asked the federal government to provide the city with a compensation package before the G20 began.

Janice Solomon, executive director of the Toronto Entertainment District BIA, watched the violence from her condominium on University.

“I am so angry this happened,” she said. “This is a city where we’ve had demonstrations of all different sizes and issues without incident. Here we are, we have this rogue group, probably not even from Toronto, and they think this is okay and it’s not.”

Ms. Solomon said she expected the impact on downtown business owners to be profound, not just in terms of damage but lost revenue.

“I don’t see how anyone will stay open now,” she said on Saturday afternoon. “I think it’s just inexcusable.”

A Starbucks at Queen and John had its windows smashed and the manager pleaded with people to stop taking pictures. “What’s the point of all this?” he yelled. “What about peaceful protest?”

The day’s events began with a “People First!” march organized by various labour and women’s groups. The planned protest began at Queen’s Park North and made its way down University Avenue and along Queen. But when the majority of demonstrators turned north on Spadina Avenue, a small group doubled back and began destroying property on Queen Street West.

Demonstrators also broke the windows of several businesses, including a Scotiabank, CIBC, a McDonald's, Starbucks and an American Apparel. Protesters also threw bricks at a CBC van, breaking its windows. TTC streetcars were abandoned on Queen Street; two were spraypainted with anti-summit graffit and anarchy symbols. A jewellry store was looted at Yonge Street and Gerrard Street. On College Street a Tim Horton’s, a Winners and another Starbucks were smashed open.

Gord Smith, general manager at the Yonge and Dundas Adidas store, spoke to a reporter moments after it was just destroyed by protesters.

No one inside was hurt, according to Mr. Smith. The police gave them enough warning to get all the customers out, though about 10 employees were in the store.

He seemed upset, but resigned. “Well it already happened so what can you do?” he said.

Protestors cleared the area moments later and a crowd gathered to take pictures of the broken glass while Mr. Smith tried to move them along.

Sid Ryan, president of the Ontario Federation of Labour and one of the march’s organizers, said he learned of the violence when he arrived back at Queen’s Park.

“I’m pretty ticked off about it,” he said. “Now the message coming out is not the positive one we had developed. Everyone is now focused in on the violence.”

Mr. Ryan said his group had gone to great lengths to work with police to ensure the demonstration was peaceful and said he fully supported efforts to bring the violence to an end.

“These guys burned a police car, you’ve got to stop that kind of stuff,” he said. “The whole notion of using the cover of our demonstration to do this really makes me mad.”

With files from Jeff Gray, Katie Hewitt and Globe Staff
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-outbreak-of-protest-violence/article1619819/

No idea why this shit goes on. I've been to dozens of protests and never this sort of shit. What kind of idiot attacks the police? Certainly not representative of the thoughtful types that typify these protests.
 
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Alright, who wants to go downtown and start assaulting some of those *******s dressed in black? Hockey equipment is downstairs.
 
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Toronto has seen thousands of protests over the years and rarely do you see anything like this. I've seen mounted police charge unarmed and peaceful demonstrators without provocation. Have never seen anyone trash police cars and windows before. Seems to me that the excessive police presence was just begging for this. I had read that the fence itself was the target of some radical elements - they were determined to break through to get to the fence. Not sure why, but there you have it.
 
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I saw one guy (peaceful protester type) stop one of those anarchists from throwing a rock....she looked around as the guy let go of her and noticed she was all alone and fled.....pitiful. They really offer no benefit to society.

You'd think we won round 3 of the Stanley Cup playoffs or something....
 
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Wow, this guy representing the "Ontario Coalition against Poverty" on CityTV is a real dirtbag.
 
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They are so dumb, that it's just sad. They don't accomplish anything except turning the general population against protests and protesters. While getting a few of their own smacked down or thrown in jail.
 
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cork is failing to understand that it's a public street, for one. Secondly, nobody was informed.

Lawyers have speculated that its was kept secret so they could target and round up their targets. Sounds about right.


I'm pretty open minded, but I can't help but wonder if this was done quietly to avoid the reaction that could have possibly led to this NOT going through. Imagine the backlash and media furor? (understandable)
Take it a step further; not only is this not passed, but protesters use the fact to flaunt what the law was made to prevent, and we have even more insanity.

I don't understand how anybody could see this being done to their city and find fault with the enforcers and not the aggressors.



...geez, I guess I'm a full-fledged right winged loony now.





I'm not excusing crap like this being done all quiet like, but I would not be surprised if this was not rammed home fast to avoid what I listed above.
 
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They are so dumb, that it's just sad. They don't accomplish anything except turning the general population against protests and protesters. While getting a few of their own smacked down or thrown in jail.

Yes, this pisses me off because demonstrations are a vital element of democratic change and this just serves to turn decent people away.
 
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I'm pretty open minded, but I can't help but wonder if this was done quietly to avoid the reaction that could have possibly led to this NOT going through. Imagine the backlash and media furor? (understandable)
Take it a step further; not only is this not passed, but protesters use the fact to flaunt what the law was made to prevent, and we have even more insanity.

I don't understand how anybody could see this being done to their city and find fault with the enforcers and not the aggressors.



...geez, I guess I'm a full-fledged right winged loony now.





I'm not excusing crap like this being done all quiet like, but I would not be surprised if this was not rammed home fast to avoid what I listed above.
That's exactly the reason. If it'd been announced, it would have caused a public backlash, and almost certainly would have been subjected to a legal or charter challenge, and overturned. By not telling anybody, the earliest anybody could find out about it is as soon as they started enforcing it and arresting people yesterday, which leaves no time to get it overturned before the summit is over.
 
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I'm pretty open minded, but I can't help but wonder if this was done quietly to avoid the reaction that could have possibly led to this NOT going through. Imagine the backlash and media furor? (understandable)
Take it a step further; not only is this not passed, but protesters use the fact to flaunt what the law was made to prevent, and we have even more insanity.

I don't understand how anybody could see this being done to their city and find fault with the enforcers and not the aggressors.

This law has done nothing to prevent the 'aggressors', as you can see. It has nothing to do with what's going on now.

It would most likely have been stopped if it were publicized, as it's most likely unconstitutional - hence, the need for secrecy.
 
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I like how they tag "against the police" on walls, and then go ahead and justify the existence of police by destroying things for no good reason.

People like this make me angry.
 
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The thing that pisses me off the most is that you just know that they're from out-of-town. Queen's students got the worst backlash against Homecoming in Kingston for years even though all of the destruction was caused by idiots from Ottawa and Montreal and other close cities.
 
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Anyone watching this scene on CP24. Police surrounding a small group of people, many of whom don't even look like protesters but people that just got caught on the street. The reporter is caught in the middle and they are vastly outnumbered by police.

Ha, they broke out into a rendition of the national anthem.
 
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Wow, it looks like they're just clearing all the streets downtown.

I guess it's illegal to be on the street in Toronto today. Wow, they just charged the crowd at Queen's Park.
 
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Yes, the same bunch of anarchist morons that show up and torch police cars at every single G8 and G20 gathering are running around Toronto right now, so let's ignore the fact that McGuinty's cabinet and the police had a secret meeting to pass secret laws suspending basic civil liberties. That issue isn't worth talking about, and obviously if I do want to talk about it, I sympathize with, or at the very least don't care about people burning police cars.

The lack of critical thinking going on in that brain of yours is what's pathetic here.
Oh shit, I can't go down that street, my civil liberties are being destroyed!!!

Funny, I've never heard you cry about your violated freedoms when the MuchMusic Video Awards blocks off part of Toronto with crown fences and red carpet.

Have you never been told, "hey, you can't go in there" before?

Deal with it.
 
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Oh shit, I can't go down that street, my civil liberties are being destroyed!!!

Funny, I've never heard you cry about your violated freedoms when the MuchMusic Video Awards blocks off part of Toronto with crown fences and red carpet.

Have you never been told, "hey, you can't go in there" before?

Deal with it.
Your lack of reading comprehension is stunning, unless you're being deliberately obtuse.

"Hey, you can't go in there" is quite a bit different than "hey, you're standing within 5 meters of there, so according to a new secret law that nobody but the police know about, I can arrest and imprison you if you don't present me with ID and let me search you."
 
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