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OT: The News Thread

HabsAddict said:
Here is the funny thing about PET. I wonder how many in here would put him on a pedestal if they saw combat ready soldiers on Canadian streets? I did. At 16, I had already seen and felt first hand the junta in Greece, now it was more soldiers on CANADIAN streets.

Revisionist history is so cool.....

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What's revisionist? Those soldiers were right in front of my house during those days. I lived through that shit, just like you say you lived through the Junta.
 
johnunit said:
I can see having a problem with it, but IMO the FLQ crisis was a good example of when the force/techniques the government used ARE justified, and how to use them in a relatively measured way and return to normal levels of policing and security in a reasonable amount of time. What Trudeau did is (mostly) only unjustifiable if any of the 3 following take place:

1. people arrested are systematically abused
2. the threat is not real
3. parts of the new, stricter/less free measures stay in place after the threat is gone


While one can argue about how many people were arrested, none of those 3 were the case in the FLQ crisis.
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Bingo.
 
JohnnyHolmes said:
is Quebec still bitching about separating?

Leave already. Both referendums that I can remember (80 & 95) they voted that they wanted to stay...so why are we listening to this crap still?

You're french, we get it, blah blah blah, STFU already.
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I think you're missing Trudeau Jr's point. He's not complaining. He's simply saying that he doesn't like the direction Harper is taking this country, and if it continues that way for too long, Quebec would be better off separate. it's a statement supported by the last Federal Election results for the Tories in Quebec.
 
johnunit said:
I can see having a problem with it, but IMO the FLQ crisis was a good example of when the force/techniques the government used ARE justified, and how to use them in a relatively measured way and return to normal levels of policing and security in a reasonable amount of time. What Trudeau did is (mostly) only unjustifiable if any of the 3 following take place:

1. people arrested are systematically abused
2. the threat is not real
3. parts of the new, stricter/less free measures stay in place after the threat is gone


While one can argue about how many people were arrested, none of those 3 were the case in the FLQ crisis.
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The threat was from a SMALL GROUP, not thousands of separatist snipers in church towers.

There was NO THREAT of imminent social breakdown.

All it needed was a police crackdown. There was no real need to place guards on bridges/corners and run armoured vehicles on city streets. It was a show of over the top force and a lesson about how fast civil liberties can be suspended.

This video is pure, unadulterated PET arrogance....

[video=youtube;ih0tJeKB3PY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih0tJeKB3PY[/video]
 
The Drama Queen Award of 2012 goes to.....Pretty Boy....

[video=youtube;ayd3z5bT1Gs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayd3z5bT1Gs[/video]

This video doesn't show it but in the full video, at the end of that third rate drama queen recital, the press was laughing AT him.....

Mehh....

[video=youtube;qdDVtFvJwUc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdDVtFvJwUc[/video]
 
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HabsAddict said:
The threat was from a SMALL GROUP, not thousands of separatist snipers in church towers.

There was NO THREAT of imminent social breakdown.

All it needed was a police crackdown. There was no real need to place guards on bridges/corners and run armoured vehicles on city streets. It was a show of over the top force and a lesson about how fast civil liberties can be suspended.

This video is pure, unadulterated PET arrogance....
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There had already been a police crackdown. The show of force helped turn Quebecers against the FLQ even further, and was largely supported by the public. Again, it stands as an example of when all the things people worry about in a temporary "marshall law" type situation DID NOT happen. People were released without abuse or charge once they were reasonably cleared, there was no police brutality, none of the measures were retained after the crisis as a "just in case" power grab. And frankly, the idea that Trudeau et. al had an end goal of creating a police state in Montreal as a result is pretty absurd.
 
johnunit said:
*There had already been a police crackdown.

*The show of force helped turn Quebecers against the FLQ even further, and was largely supported by the public. Again, it stands as an example of when all the things people worry about in a temporary "marshall law" type situation DID NOT happen.

People were released without abuse or charge once they were reasonably cleared, there was no police brutality, none of the measures were retained after the crisis as a "just in case" power grab.

*And frankly, the idea that Trudeau et. al had an end goal of creating a police state in Montreal as a result is pretty absurd.
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There was a police crackdown in progress. PET and his cronies decided that it wasn't enough and HE would take charge. With the army.

Quebecers who were against he FLQ remained against the FLQ. Those who supported it, became more radicalised and more determined. There was widespread support FOR the War Measures Act at the time, but "turning more against them" because of it is conjecture.

Your last point is a straw argument. Nobody said that Trudeau had Stalin aspirations. The issue here is the use of the military in civil manners.

BTW, in the end, they charged 60 people. Toronto police arrested more people on child porn a few days ago then all that military for the "imminent danger of Quebec society collapsing".
 
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blacksheep said:
What's revisionist? Those soldiers were right in front of my house during those days. I lived through that shit, just like you say you lived through the Junta.
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AND the so called "October Crisis". I lived in Montreal when that happened. I fact, I was in Montreal High (downtown) at the time and soldiers were all over the place. I remember waiting for the bus when a truck unloaded about a dozen man with BAYONETS fixed.

F U C K E N bayonets.

It must have been the Montreal High reputation........:rolleyes(2):
 
Greeks may not be good with money....:nono:

But they sure know how to riot.....:rolleyes(2):


[video=youtube;vojYP4O2iWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vojYP4O2iWI&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

A couple of things....

The riot cops are batting away molotov cocktails like it's just another normal day in the office. Only question.......are they bringing any marshmallows?

Imagine these kinds of scenes in Canada?

Some Western countries are sending cops over to get lessons in tactics and how to remain calm when it rains molotovs and marble.
 
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justin trudeau is one of the biggest drama queens to ever come into canadian politics. he would be a disaster as a PM. his eulogy for his dad showed what kind of person he is- he's a smug, pretentious, posturing, insincere poseur. he gave a speech to a gathering of ottawa teachers a few years back that was one of the most revolting displays i have ever seen. he was puffing up his credentials as a "teacher", telling obviously made up and overexaggerated anecdotes, and answering planted softball questions from the audience afterwards. he is the epitome of narcissism.
 
My wife disagrees with you. And yours left, oh pathetic one.
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You're still hanging on divorce jokes? They didn't hurt at first and they DEFINITELY don't hurt now. Try harder, you sad little man.

lol. The "raiding of the public pension fund" hasn't begun yet. Harper's looking to get to that very soon.
And "underfunding the military" is about as accurate a statement as claiming that Obama's birth certificate is a fake.
Also, adscam, while completely wrong, wasn't really that big a dent to the GDP. Considering the trillions any government handles on a yearly basis, adscam was a drop in a barrel. If you think history should hang a former PM who wasted adscam money, then Mulroney could have multiple nooses around his neck. Meech Lake; Charlottown Accord; Airbus... every single one of those were many more times the money wasted in adscam.
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Stop lying.

Dealing with a recession is worse than domestic terrorism?
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Yes. Dealing with a handful of French terrorists is far better than the entire economy tanking for 4 years. At least from a policy standpoint.
 
I just don't understand the constant divorce jokes. Not only did they never bother me, but I couldn't be happier with how things worked out.
 
Wow, some of you guys really need to tone it down a notch. Making fun of somebodies divorce, that is low.

Talk about making things personal.

Glad things worked for you in the end Cork.
 
Especially when corks is posting pics with his alleged new squeeze that is easily a solid 9...

I was going to say 8, but wow....

That is a hell of a pull. I fear my days of pulling that kind of quality are long gone. May I be wrong.
 
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