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OT: The News Thread

so I had to look up flacious before I realized... it is not a word?
Sure you did. Put it a search engine and it will give you the typo correction -- fallacious.

Fallacious -- e.g., pretending to be concerned about the 'dangers' of free speech when you really just enjoy seeing the world's most powerful organizations shut down marginal -- dissenting -- voices. One thing that is abundantly clear is people on this forum hate dissent.
 
Yup.

And the conflating of these two separate issues is entirely intentional and misleading.
The only thing misleading is pretending that organizations that can vacuum up any significant platform has no relation to free speech.
 
It's one of the main reasons these massive corporations need to be broken up. They are inherently anti-democratic. If they control all the significant speech platforms (which they do) it is intimately tied to free speech and exactly what is going on today -- a large scale clampdown that could not occur without that control.
 
Sure you did. Put it a search engine and it will give you the typo correction -- fallacious.

Fallacious -- e.g., pretending to be concerned about the 'dangers' of free speech when you really just enjoy seeing the world's most powerful organizations shut down marginal -- dissenting -- voices. One thing that is abundantly clear is people on this forum hate dissent.
lol I know what a fallacy is and that fallacious is a word. I did not know that was the word you were intending to use, evidently
 
It is kind of funny. I do actually lean slightly towards BeLeafer on this issue, though.

It's really hard because spreading misinformation during a pandemic is so obviously problematic, especially when it's done for political reasons. A lot of these bannings are defensible.

They are so cavalier about some of this stuff though. And it is absolutely a slippery slope. Maybe more suspensions, less outright bannings? There's no easy answer here, unfortunately.
 
The issue is that people have learned to exploit the principle of free speech to deliberately spread lies meant to inflict real life destruction.

If your only answer is to shrug and say whaddyagonnado .....I have to disagree.
 
"Settle it in the courts" is a laughably ignorant take on deplatforming. Who will bring it to court? The social media company, to be able to enforce its TOS? Or the person who is deplatformed, on some newly invented cause of action that reads "Facebook" and "Twitter" into the words "Congress" and "Government" in the first amendment? What if Forumice wants to ban someone for spamming the board with racist, hateful, obvious garbage? Petition the court to let them do it? A foolish suggestion, even for a fool.

Regulating these giant social media monopolies is clearly the right thing to do in the short term. If that means breaking them up using existing anti-trust rules, fine. If it means nationalizing them to prevent the destructive spread of ignorance, OK. Or maybe its a matter of passing some kind of digital platforms legislation that sets objective standards for protected speech (and makes digital platforms subject to first amendment like protection). In that case, Trump would have been banned years ago, and RFK wouldn't even be allowed to have dial-up.

In the longer term, we need entirely new rules to deal with free speech and the Internet.
 
"Settle it in the courts" is a laughably ignorant take on deplatforming. Who will bring it to court? The social media company, to be able to enforce its TOS? Or the person who is deplatformed, on some newly invented cause of action that reads "Facebook" and "Twitter" into the words "Congress" and "Government" in the first amendment? What if Forumice wants to ban someone for spamming the board with racist, hateful, obvious garbage? Petition the court to let them do it? A foolish suggestion, even for a fool.

Regulating these giant social media monopolies is clearly the right thing to do in the short term. If that means breaking them up using existing anti-trust rules, fine. If it means nationalizing them to prevent the destructive spread of ignorance, OK. Or maybe its a matter of passing some kind of digital platforms legislation that sets objective standards for protected speech (and makes digital platforms subject to first amendment like protection). In that case, Trump would have been banned years ago, and RFK wouldn't even be allowed to have dial-up.

In the longer term, we need entirely new rules to deal with free speech and the Internet.
+25

especially the middle paragraph.

the fact that the tech companies wield outsized power and influence does not necessarily lead to the conclusion that they should be unable to enforce their terms of service short of a court order.

and obviously we need to develop our laws and regulations to better deal with internet and information age issues.
 
This all comes back to strengthening and modernizing our interface with our democracies to make them more responsive to the actual will of the people.

Unfortunately the people abusing the notion of free speech are exactly the ones that would be happier to see democracy burn because they're under the impression they would be better off without any government at all.
 
ah fuck. just saw a tweet from Ted Cruz supporting her. already being forced to revisit my position.

I do firmly believe though that people should not lose their jobs only for holding opposing political views...
 
She's been tweeting crazy Maga shit for months now.
people are still allowed to hold objectionable views though.

did she perform the duties of her job professionally? was she an impediment on set?

one thing that may be relevant here is if she signed any agreement about political speech, morality clause, etc. if she violated the terms of her contract that is different. but I have a hard time with firing people because they believe unpopular things.
 
She's a public figure representing Disney and they decided they didn't want to be represented by someone downplaying the holocaust.

Seems pretty fucking simple to me.
 
I have a problem with employers dictating what is and is not acceptable thought. quite literally can lead to tyranny of the majority
 
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