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I hear what WDP is saying, if you love a great novel there’s not really a need to fuck with the movie if you love the source material to the point a film adaptation can bring nothing positive to the experience.

I love David Fincher but Dragon Tattoo is the one flick of his I haven’t seen, because I saw the original version and to me Noomi Rapace & Nyquist were so perfectly cast, it made the trailers for Finchers look embarrassing.

Similarly if they ever made a film version of John Williams ‘Stoner’ I don’t think I’d ever watch it, cause I already had a pristinely perfect experience with the book (and still do every time I read it) that I wouldn’t want to fuck up in any way.

I’ll also never watch the Jason Segal, David Foster Wallace movie…..cause I have zero need for a film version of one of my favourite authors.

That said some books have become even better for me because of the filmed versions….No Country was a flawless adaptation, with better casting than my mind ever could have rendered anyway….and Lonesome Dove is a flawless western epic, but made better if you mentally cast Robert Duvall as Gus, and Tommy Lee Jones as
 
Wayward DP said:
I mean my imagination is independent. As in I actually get to imagine the things. Based on what I read and then my perception of that.

When you watch a movie based on a book, you're surrendering the responsibility for imagining to the directors, etc. It's an abdication of the creative process. Which is okay, if that's what you enjoy. But let's be clear that I'm the one with the lively and independent imagination while the rest of yall are not!
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If you can reread those books and capture the feeling you had reading them the first time, still viewing the characters the way you imagined them…..you’re absolutely right to not watch the movies just for the sake of it, and warp those memories for good.

imo, you can’t easily reread a novel with your original mental casting once you’ve seen the film….your brain mentally attaches to the filmed version.
 
Montana said:
I hear what WDP is saying, if you love a great novel there’s not really a need to fuck with the movie if you don’t want to.

I love David Fincher but Dragon Tattoo is the one flick of his I haven’t seen, because I saw the original version and to me Noomi Rapace & Nyquist were so perfectly cast, it made the trailers for Finchers look embarrassing.

Similarly if they ever made a film version of John Williams ‘Stoner’ I don’t think I’d ever watch it, cause I already had a pristinely perfect experience with the book (and still do every time I read it) that I wouldn’t want to fuck up in any way.

I’ll also never watch the Jason Segal, David Foster Wallace movie…..cause I have zero need for a film version of one of my favourite authors.

That said some books have become even better for me because of the filmed versions….No Country was a flawless adaptation, with better casting than my mind ever could have rendered anyway….and Lonesome Dove is a flawless western epic, but made better if you mentally cast Robert Duvall as Gus, and Tommy Lee Jones as
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I hear you on the Dragon Tattoo movies. I’m in the same boat in that I loved the originals and felt no need to watch the American remakes.

Though it’s not a perfect comparison when you’re talking about not watching an American remake of very recent great foreign-language films vs. being a huge fan of a series of books and not watching the masterpiece film adaptation.

Anyway, obviously you’re entitled to your opinion @Wayward DP ! But I’m also entitled to call it the worst & weirdest film/TV take I’ve heard on here since zeke’s claim that he’ll never watch Breaking Bad even after becoming a massive BCS fanboy.
 
…and I’ll definitely avoid a movie version of something first, if I have any interest in reading the book.

it’s cliche but the book is vastly better 98.9999% of the time.
 
LeafGm said:
I hear you on the Dragon Tattoo movies. I’m in the same boat in that I loved the originals and felt no need to watch the American remakes.

Though it’s not a perfect comparison when you’re talking about not watching an American remake of very recent great foreign-language films vs. being a huge fan of a series of books and not watching the masterpiece film adaptation.

Anyway, obviously you’re entitled to your opinion @Wayward DP ! But I’m also entitled to call it the worst & weirdest film/TV take I’ve heard on here since zeke’s claim that he’ll never watch Breaking Bad even after becoming a massive BCS fanboy.
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Id agree it’s a bit different not watching LOTR or HP given how beloved the film series are….but if those books meant absolutely everything to you at a pivotal moment in your life and you don’t want to fuck with that. I respect it….especially given how highly rated they are.
 
Fwiw I'm on team DP.

Axl lost me here:

the Amazon LOTR show isn't that bad imo (unless you memorized the Silmarillion, I suppose)
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1) I feel personally attacked by this
2) The Amazon show is bad

#TeamDP

Just let the man enjoy art in his way you fucking savages.
 
Preston said:
I'm too dumb to read AND hate everything about LOTR. But somehow DPs take is weirder than mine.
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I’m also not a LOTR guy at all….I just totally don’t get it.

I’m sure it would be different if I’d read the books as a kid…but it felt a bit weird to me how much everyone went on and on about the movies.

On the flip side, Denis Villeneuve’s Dune was so fucking good it made me devastated that someone hadn’t handed me those books as a kid….it would have blown my dick off.

I’m still kinda pissed on behalf of my younger self over it…..my people really let me down.
 
Don’t get it. To me, a film based on a book is just a movie where you’re already familiar with the plot. They’re not even the same thing. Why the fuck would I care that Peter Jackson’s take on the Shire is not the same as mine? It can be cool to see what someone else envisions (and can bring to life given the limitations of budgets and physics).

That said, I’ll never watch Lion King because I love Hamlet.
 
Montana said:
I hear what WDP is saying, if you love a great novel there’s not really a need to fuck with the movie if you love the source material to the point a film adaptation can bring nothing positive to the experience.

I love David Fincher but Dragon Tattoo is the one flick of his I haven’t seen, because I saw the original version and to me Noomi Rapace & Nyquist were so perfectly cast, it made the trailers for Finchers look embarrassing.

Similarly if they ever made a film version of John Williams ‘Stoner’ I don’t think I’d ever watch it, cause I already had a pristinely perfect experience with the book (and still do every time I read it) that I wouldn’t want to fuck up in any way.

I’ll also never watch the Jason Segal, David Foster Wallace movie…..cause I have zero need for a film version of one of my favourite authors.

That said some books have become even better for me because of the filmed versions….No Country was a flawless adaptation, with better casting than my mind ever could have rendered anyway….and Lonesome Dove is a flawless western epic, but made better if you mentally cast Robert Duvall as Gus, and Tommy Lee Jones as
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you have personally insulted WDP by sharing your opinion on this, um, message board, but since you weighed in, the Dragon Tattoo book series was surprisingly great. the original movie was good and I haven't seen the Fincher version, but i would like to.

I do understand the argument, and have no issue with it as it pertains to a particular book. As a blanket policy, though, it's just a really weird take. IMO - this is My Opinion only!

I'm glad they never made a film version of Catcher in the Rye, it just wouldn't work, though a large part of that may be due to Salinger's insistence that they never make one.

One of my fave books is Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions, and it's a very literary book. But for some reason they made a movie version of it with Bruce Willis. I wanted to see it when it came out but never got around to it. Hard to find now, one day I'll watch it out of morbid curiosity.

I guess I enjoy seeing how other people bring these worlds to life. This brings up a major issue I have with DP's point on LOTR (this is a message board!! I am just expressing my opinion on this topic that we are all discussing here today! No offense intended in any way!!!) about some "Hollywood fucker" making a shitty adaptation. I can see where that could be horrifying, but the point we are making is that Peter Jackson obviously loves those books and did a brilliant job bringing them to life.
 
Montana said:
If you can reread those books and capture the feeling you had reading them the first time, still viewing the characters the way you imagined them…..you’re absolutely right to not watch the movies just for the sake of it, and warp those memories for good.

imo, you can’t easily reread a novel with your original mental casting once you’ve seen the film….your brain mentally attaches to the filmed version.
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Exactly
 
MindzEye said:
Fwiw I'm on team DP.

Axl lost me here:



1) I feel personally attacked by this
2) The Amazon show is bad

#TeamDP

Just let the man enjoy art in his way you fucking savages.
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I started to write a lengthy post about the show when you were ranting and raving about it, but I had to go and scrapped it.

It starts off slow, but I enjoyed it in the end. It's not great but i do think the criticisms were overblown. Not sure why they couldn't or didn't get the rights to the Silmarillion, it makes zero sense considering there are many shows, movies and video games based on LOTR which is a way more popular and therefore expensive IP. But I don't think it's the end of the world to make some changes to that early timeline.

Even this piece of shit got made for fuck's sake:

 
axlsalinger said:
you have personally insulted WDP by sharing your opinion on this, um, message board, but since you weighed in, the Dragon Tattoo book series was surprisingly great. the original movie was good and I haven't seen the Fincher version, but i would like to.

I do understand the argument, and have no issue with it as it pertains to a particular book. As a blanket policy, though, it's just a really weird take. IMO - this is My Opinion only!

I'm glad they never made a film version of Catcher in the Rye, it just wouldn't work, though a large part of that may be due to Salinger's insistence that they never make one.

One of my fave books is Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions, and it's a very literary book. But for some reason they made a movie version of it with Bruce Willis. I wanted to see it when it came out but never got around to it. Hard to find now, one day I'll watch it out of morbid curiosity.

I guess I enjoy seeing how other people bring these worlds to life. This brings up a major issue I have with DP's point on LOTR (this is a message board!! I am just expressing my opinion on this topic that we are all discussing here today! No offense intended in any way!!!) about some "Hollywood fucker" making a shitty adaptation. I can see where that could be horrifying, but the point we are making is that Peter Jackson obviously loves those books and did a brilliant job bringing them to life.
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3/10
 
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