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OT: The Official Toronto Raptors Thread

MindzEye said:
Some of it comes down to usage with Turner I think. He's putting up more 3's (and hitting a higher %), fewer paint touches and FTA but his game impact is down bigly. I know this will shock everyone, but I think the concept of the stretch 5 isn't having the impacts on winning that it should in theory. The only reason I think a centre should above the nail is if they're a distributor. There's so much a big can do in the dunker's spot to set back screen and seals to free up space for cutters and shooters on the move and I think the best teams in the league have caught on to that for the most part. The Celtics are the Celtics and doing their own thing of basically only shooting 3's, but everyone else at the top of the league either bigs who are legit distributors (Joker, Sengun) or role player to elite role player 5's. A guy like Turner standing at the break all night on offence isn't doing a lot to help win games imo, even when he's hitting 40% of his 3's.
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but his issue is that he's not at all efficient in the paint for a big man, and also his defensive impact is way way down. the threes are like the only good thing about him right now.
 
zeke said:
but his issue is that he's not at all efficient in the paint for a big man, and also his defensive impact is way way down. the threes are like the only good thing about him right now.
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I'm theory crafting, but it probably comes from working on that one aspect to the detriment of everything else he should be doing out there.

Fwiw, he's actually pretty efficient around the paint, it's his shot share that has gone down there.

He shots 55% of his total FG's within 10 ft in 22-23, 50% last year, 41% this year with his 3-10ft FG% dropping like a stone this year to 36% from the mid 50's over the previous two seasons combined.
 
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MindzEye said:
Yeah, NYK is too much for us. Just too much, too deep and too many back matchups for us, even when healthy...

IQ on Brunson - IQ will score on him because Brunson can't defend, but IQ is too light to keep Brunson out of the lane. Probably have to switch Okai over onto him tbh
Okai on Hart - Hart is premium role player technology. A better version of what Okai is right now.
RJ on Bridges - Bridges length will give RJ fits imo. Even if RJ can win this, he'll have to work for it.
Scottie on OG - Maybe the best wing defender in the league for handling someone like Scottie. Scottie can't bully him and OG's length makes Scottie's up and down middy and 3pt game super important.
Jake on KAT - Needs to be in KAT's back pocket in transition so he can't just default to running back to his own paint. Tough, tough night for Jake.

Our healthy bench of Gradey, Bruce, Kelly, Boucher could give Deuce, CamPayne, and Sims the business though
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I rate Brunson sure but the rest i disagree. And even then, IQ has the quicks plus length combo that can help him deal with Brunson better than most.

But the biggest disagree is on FAT KAT (of course) and also Bridges now, . Whatever defense bridges used to have has been trickling away steadily over the last few years. And towns being forced to defend a C in the paint has always been his biggest weakness.
 
zeke said:
I rate Brunson sure but the rest i disagree. And even then, IQ has the quicks plus length combo that can help him deal with Brunson better than most.

But the biggest disagree is on FAT KAT (of course) and also Bridges now, . Whatever defense bridges used to have has been trickling away steadily over the last few years. And towns being forced to defend a C in the paint has always been his biggest weakness.
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Nah. KAT is realgud. Way more important to that Minnesota group than most people thought. Legit 1B option offensively, monster rebounding is back on the menu now that he's asked to play inside more again, fine defensively. Bridges...maybe. His performance has been down the last year and a bit, I don't know if I'm calling that decline at 28 though.
 
#1 overall picks since 2000 ranked by Value Over Replacement Player

Lebron 152.8
Anthony Davis 52.5
Kyrie 42.5
Dwight Howard 39.0
KAT 33.0
Blake Griffin 32.8
John Wall 24.1
Yao 20.7
D Rose 18.2
Andrew Bogut 16.0
Ben Simmons 14.8
Kenyon Martin 12.5
Zion 9.9
Anthony Edwards 8.7
DeAndre Ayton 8.3
Wemby 5.0
Andrew Wiggins 3.4
Paolo Banchero 3.1
Cade Cunningham 2.3
Bargnani 1.5
Markelle Fultz 1.3
Greg Oden 0.8
Zach Rischarer -0.3
Kwame Brown -1.3
Anthony Bennett -1.3

For fuck sakes what a terrible pick. LaMarcus Alridge fwiw, 33.4 VORP. So had we taken the guy we should have, we would have gotten the ~5th best #1 overall pick since 2000.
 
what a draft.

best team:

C LMA ---- Bargnani -- Thomas
F Millsap -- Tucker ---- Novak
F Gay ----- Sefolosha - Brewer
G Roy ----- Reddick --- Foye
G Lowry --- Rondo ---- Farmar

yikes.
 
zeke said:
what a draft.

best team:

C LMA ---- Bargnani -- Thomas
F Millsap -- Tucker ---- Novak
F Gay ----- Sefolosha - Brewer
G Roy ----- Reddick --- Foye
G Lowry --- Rondo ---- Farmar

yikes.
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Would have looked a lot better if the #1 overall wasn't a historic flopshow. Kyle-LMA-Millsap (the 1-2-3 in career VORP) would also have been 1-2-3 in 2000, 2002. 2-3-4 in 2004, and 1-3-4 in 2010. It was a pretty average draft despite the historic flop show taken 1st overall.
 
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