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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

uncus said:
Jmho ....

I dont understand why the Jay's dont go after top tier pitching.

If you dont want to trade one of your top prospects, then the only other commodity the Jay's have to use is money.

Take a page from the Braves of the past.

Go after the 2 top pitching FA's.

Let Pearson and manoah slide in to the 3rd and 4th spots on the team over the next 2 or 3 years.

You have 2, top starting pitcher positions covered for the next 7 years and much more after the kids take their places on this team.

The kids, (pearson and manoah) will move up as they gain more experience.

Having two top pitchers will only help create a winning environment and help to teach the kids in the field to play up instead of treading.

Pitching usually trumps offence in the playoffs.

But ..... will the Jay's pay a couple of hundred million to go this route?

As I mentioned .... jmho.
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heh. go watch shakins talk in public ever, and you should have your answer on this one.
 
Wheeler, 29, has received at least one $100 million offer and will land a five-year deal in excess of that amount, according to major-league sources.

The White Sox, Twins, Reds, Rangers and Blue Jays are among the clubs pursuing Wheeler, who is the leading free-agent alternative to fellow right-handers Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg even though his career ERA+ (ERA adjusted to park and league) is exactly league average.
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theathletic.com

Rosenthal: Wheeler will be a $100 million man; the market for Bumgarner and Castellanos; more notes

Plus Josh Lindblom's return from the KBO, a possible Mets move, issues facing lower-tier free agents, and more.
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According to MLB Network’s Jon Morosi, the Blue Jays are interested in veteran free agent starting pitchers Dallas Keuchel and Hyun-Jin Ryu. Morosi spoke about the Blue Jays’ pitching options on MLB Network’s Hot Stove Live.

“The Jays are getting a head start on the shopping for next year,” Morosi said. “Two names to mention here: Hyun-Jin Ryu and Dallas Keuchel.”

“It makes a lot of sense for the Jays to court both Keuchel and Ryu now,” Morosi said. “I’m told they’re both on their list … the Jays are generally very interested in finding some different veteran starting pitching and these are two names I’m told are on their list.”
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dailyhive.com

Blue Jays interested in free agent pitchers Keuchel and Ryu: report | Sports

The Toronto Blue Jays need all the starting pitching help they can get in 2020. Two names who could improve their rotation: Dallas Keuchel and Hyun-Jin Ryu.
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Would you be willing to give Wheeler that deal along with losing the 2nd rounder?

And no thanks to Moustakas at that term and dollar.

some interesting names nontendered. Taijuan Walker could be good.
 
I would stay away from Wheeler at that term and price. As much as the Jays have money to burn, I don't see him making it through 2 more seasons healthy, never mind 5.

Yes to Ryu, but there's no way he is coming here.

Interested in everyone, serious about no one.
 
I’m expecting them to go into the lower tier. Guys like Teheran, Pineda type.

ryu has just as much injury risk as wheeler, if not more.He’s really good when healthy though. Keuchel is another guy were hearing they have interest in. Could be a good innings eater.
 
The names they are being so aggressive on emerge as worse and worse. At least it started high with Wheeler. Wake me when they give Roark 2 years and jerk off to his spinrate, durability, and what a teammate he is
 
I mean, the team is still shit this year no matter what, so honestly whether they sign someone or not it really doesn't matter to me. Yeah, it would be nice to be a little like the White Sox or Padres and actually start investing in free agents before you're fully challenging for a playoff spot, but none of the names we're linked really thrill me. More important is seeing how the team does next year, and how all the kids progress. Would be awesome if we trusted management to go out and find us a great FA arm, but I can at least take a glimmer of hope in that we didn't immediately reject the notion of signing any free agents. I guess?
 
UWHabs said:
I mean, the team is still shit this year no matter what, so honestly whether they sign someone or not it really doesn't matter to me. Yeah, it would be nice to be a little like the White Sox or Padres and actually start investing in free agents before you're fully challenging for a playoff spot, but none of the names we're linked really thrill me. More important is seeing how the team does next year, and how all the kids progress. Would be awesome if we trusted management to go out and find us a great FA arm, but I can at least take a glimmer of hope in that we didn't immediately reject the notion of signing any free agents. I guess?
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Yeah, this. It's why I want Wheeler, a higher upside guy who can be an important piece over the next few years, but the bidding is getting out of control for someone with his injury history.

A guy like Ryu makes more sense for a contending team. Keuchel's 31 so not really that old, but his stuff has already started declining and he didn't have great raw stuff to begin with. He might be gettable, though.
 
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