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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Yeah, maybe more like a Myles Straw, Jake Meyers, or Chandler Simpson type. If his defense is good enough, could be a platoon option.
 
The real issue is, how could there not have been a better return for Gaus? Forget getting two prospects. Just the best prospect the market would yield. I don’t know how that could be Bateman or anyone with that low a ceiling.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
The real issue is, how could there not have been a better return for Gaus? Forget getting two prospects. Just the best prospect the market would yield. I don’t know how that could be Bateman or anyone with that low a ceiling.
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I mean, at least the guys we got back have some chance of actually making the majors and being a utility guy. They're not good, and don't have that much high end potential, sure. But it's not like they're 24 year olds who are struggling in A-ball, they at least have good minors numbers. It could have been worse, but yeah, I was thinking that someone like Gausman at least should have brought in someone with some potential.
 
zeke said:
But he's never had babip this high at any stop before AAA this year.
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he's never hit the ball this hard before either.

zeke said:
and a .393babip is wholly unsustainable. If you generously adjust him down to a still high .340-.350 babip he loses 100pts+ of OPS.
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Yeah, .393 is unsustainable but 340-350 is a pretty average babip in AAA for someone with speed. Babip is also influenced by batted ball profile. This guy has hit 78% of his balls in play on the ground or LD and his average EV is good (not great, but good). Couple that with 60-70 speed and yeah, your babip is going to be comfortably above league average.

With that said it depends on what your expectations are. Would I have traded him for Gausman? Fuck no, I don't understand that trade at all. But as a guy with enough upside to potentially replace (and be an improvement on) the 30 yr old version of Varsho? Yeah, for sure. Varsho's one season with us where he was better than average at the plate was a smallish sample with a massive power surge way outside of his career norms, and his elite defence isn't elite anymore.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
The real issue is, how could there not have been a better return for Gaus? Forget getting two prospects. Just the best prospect the market would yield. I don’t know how that could be Bateman or anyone with that low a ceiling.
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The rental SP market was set, and kinda weak based on Skubal/Peralta deals

Gaus has a bottom 10 ERA for qualified SP this year, and was kinda dogshit the last month or so

He had 8 teams he could not move to

Jays didnt have the option to keep him and give him a QO

Any or all of these reasons
 
I think Bateman as the secondary prospect in a Gausman deal is fine if not a win tbh, its this other kid who i think is a complete zero that i really dont care for.

I dont necessarily think the value is off, based on what the market was, i just wish we had different player profiles to fall in love with other than

utility INF with no pop whatsoever that gets on base
LHH OF that gets on base with a good glove
Twitchy lanky SP that will either be a front line SP, K-machine RP, or working at Lowe's

It would be nice to stash some power bat lotto tickets in the system too
 
manny said:
Myles Straw (without the elite CF D) is a better lazy comp for Bateman than Lukes. And Straw has had like a 99th percentile career outcome for a player with that profile.
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Straw had a 3 WAR season before his bat fell apart, so it's not like his profile couldn't be a good every day MLB option in CF. Straw had a nice profile until he hit AAA where he didn't struggle, but he stopped looking like someone with a plus hit tool. It was his bat falling apart that turned him into a 4th OF.

So yeah, as a lazy comp it's fine but I'd argue Bateman has a more advanced hit tool that survived the jump to AAA, but probably not as good a glove in CF (which in fairness to Bateman, Straw didn't start flashing until his 25 yr old season)
 
Anyone they had leverage on ( Varsho, Hoffman) i think they did really well on for the return, and i think getting Soriano for just Nimmalla is on the cheap side too.

Say there is a cap going forward, the cost of a cheap controlle Soriano sort goes way up
 
MindzEye said:
Straw had a 3 WAR season before his bat fell apart, so it's not like his profile couldn't be a good every day MLB option in CF. Straw had a nice profile until he hit AAA where he didn't struggle, but he stopped looking like someone with a plus hit tool. It was his bat falling apart that turned him into a 4th OF.

So yeah, as a lazy comp it's fine but I'd argue Bateman has a more advanced hit tool that survived the jump to AAA, but probably not as good a glove in CF (which in fairness to Bateman, Straw didn't start flashing until his 25 yr old season)
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Regardless there is no real reason not to give Bateman the lion's share of CF work this year once you can comfortably wave the white flag.

I also wouldnt mind seeing Kasevich at SS/2B, and maybe a little McAdoo as well
 
I don’t think players will accrue service time during the lockout though. So in theory they’d get an extra year of Soriano, if nothing else changes.

Service time requirements will be on the table though so it’s also possible he’s a FA the next offseason.
 
MindzEye said:
he's never hit the ball this hard before either.



Yeah, .393 is unsustainable but 340-350 is a pretty average babip in AAA for someone with speed. Babip is also influenced by batted ball profile. This guy has hit 78% of his balls in play on the ground or LD and his average EV is good (not great, but good). Couple that with 60-70 speed and yeah, your babip is going to be comfortably above league average.

With that said it depends on what your expectations are. Would I have traded him for Gausman? Fuck no, I don't understand that trade at all. But as a guy with enough upside to potentially replace (and be an improvement on) the 30 yr old version of Varsho? Yeah, for sure. Varsho's one season with us where he was better than average at the plate was a smallish sample with a massive power surge way outside of his career norms, and his elite defence isn't elite anymore.
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That might be average in AAA but it's elite in MLB so project his line to MLB with even just a good .325babip and it's hard to see even an average hitter.

The best comp for him might be a guy like Kasevich, complete with the same "elite defensive upside but with question marks".
 
I'd argue that the bat is more advanced, but sure, that's the rough profile.

All I'm saying is that there is a path to a guy with this profile being an everyday quality player if they're plus with the glove at a premium defensive position. I saw the Chandler Simpson comp and that plays too imo, with Simpson not being a CF but Bateman not having 80 speed.

imo is all comes down to how his plate patience and CF glove translate. If they do, he can be an every day type guy imo.
 
MindzEye said:
I'd argue that the bat is more advanced, but sure, that's the rough profile.

All I'm saying is that there is a path to a guy with this profile being an everyday quality player if they're plus with the glove at a premium defensive position. I saw the Chandler Simpson comp and that plays too imo, with Simpson not being a CF but Bateman not having 80 speed.

imo is all comes down to how his plate patience and CF glove translate. If they do, he can be an every day type guy imo.
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And if this is true, you can call it a fair piece to get for a 34 year old rental SP you had no leverage with.
 
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