? I’m being mean to you. I’ve been mean to LoF Since you were 12 and posting as gold dust
OT: World Politics
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LeafOfFaith
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Nah. What we do here is unhealthy.All part of being a Leaf fan?
We can, and should be, fans without all of this extracurricular crap.
I was much happier as a Leafs fan when all there was were the games on Global/CBC, the articles in the Star and Sun in the morning, and that was it till the next day.
Preston
MBow30 alt account
Oh. Yeah that wasn't mean to me. I don't consider myself a scholar nor did I say I was in that post. Lof is though.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
why so upset about having your beliefs challenged? We should all do it more often, not less.
Most of us are on the side of ISRAEL here, if we had to pick a side. But I maintain this is one issue where it's ridiculous to be 100% "for" either side, because it's such a complicated history, with many bad actors on BOTH sides.
And you should really be able to at least acknowledge that saying "Palestine doesn’t deserve to exist" is a bullshit fucking argument. How would you react if someone said the opposite? You'd say that person's argument should immediately be disqualified for being so hatefully ignorant.
LeafOfFaith
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I'm not upset. I don't think I've posted anything today with six hundred exclamation marks after any words like some others?
But the conversations here don't move in a straight line. They go all over the place with gaslighting, deliberate misinterpretations, inadvertent misinterpretations, gang ups, insults, attacks. It's tiring and pointless, and very stereotypical lefty behavior when there's any disagreement with them. Just look at some of the things said to me today - everyone else is lashing out at a different belief, not me. Everyone just has their own views and they're never changing, and you guys enjoy yourselves because it's always 20 to 1, which is entertaining for you but boring and annoying for the 1, especially when the 1 doesn't really even hold many different core values than the rest of you, but is treated like and called a radical who has been brainwashed and lost. The slant today was to hell with any presumption of innocence of the speaker and screw the substance of the content spoken, and fuck the poster who posted it. That's not a conversation.
thehabhater
Some call me Tim
I am guessing that there is a reason that he wrote this, and it isn’t because an underaged girl wanted him to.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
I think you're really overstating these things, by a lot. I do know how much not fun it is to be ganged up on here in an argument, but sometimes maybe it's because the argument is poor. In this case, Dersh's video is ridiculously one-sided, and he also happens to (allegedly) be a scumbag.
People can change their views if provided with evidence to the contrary. That certainly did not happen with that clip.
I mean honestly, if anyone said "Israel doesn’t deserve to exist" I would certainly end any discussions with that person, and never take them seriously again due to their being so obviously stupid and sick in the brain.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
They were committing acts of terrorism as early as 1931.
I was responding specifically to the Dershowitz claims in the video. I wrote a sentence on the 1937 bit, which means I left a lot of interesting things out. I wasn't passing judgement on right/wrong, etc, etc. I was fact checking Dershowitz' claim that the Palestinians turned down an offer of statehood in 1937 and that simply isn't true in any functional sense.
LeafOfFaith
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He said they are not deserving of having their own state because they have rejected one multiple times because their actual goal is to eradicate Israel and not to have their own state. You're making it sound like he said they should be gassed and nuked, when that isn't what he said.
axlsalinger
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Palestinians or Hamas?
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
Palestinians elected Hamas, Palestinians celebrated Hamas on October 7, and many still do (including tens of thousands of terrorists among them who are members of Hamas). They also rejected statehood before Hamas existed. Like it or not, they're intertwined, both the evil and the good among them, while Hamas remains in control and while many Palestinians are among Hamas or support them. A recent survey reported that 40% of Palestinians still support Hamas, and it is still the ruling force there.
Sorry, 60% of them shouldn't get statehood when 40% of them are still terrorists or sympathizers who control the area. This is irrespective of whatever history there is that had them rejecting each opportunity at statehood over many decades. Today, with how things are, they should not have their own state.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
So basically, while you occasionally make an attempt to differentiate between the two, you really don't see much of a difference. And that is due to your bias which prevents you from assessing this situation with any level of objectivity.
LeafOfFaith
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Nope, and this is exactly what I was saying before. This is either gaslighting or some inadvertent attempt to reframe the issue by putting words in my mouth and pretending like I'm taking a position I'm not.
The 60% that supposedly don't support Hamas shouldn't have to suffer because of Hamas, and shouldn't have to die in a war because of Hamas (and to be clear, it is because of Hamas), but that doesn't mean they should be entitled to statehood just because they're innocent in the matter. You can't reward a terrorist state for terrorism and grant statehood to a neighboring region while the terrorists still run the place, no matter how nice it might be for some of the citizenry to have one. When it comes to statehood, you can't differentiate - either they all get a state or none of them get one, and the only rational viewpoint here is that none of them get one under current conditions and circumstances.
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
Statehood for terrorists, of course.
Or the third (most likely) possibility is that since that can never be an option and it's absurd to think that Israel can or should accept that after everything that has happened, that it never ends and will always be like this because it has always been like this.
Or the third (most likely) possibility is that since that can never be an option and it's absurd to think that Israel can or should accept that after everything that has happened, that it never ends and will always be like this because it has always been like this.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Being overly political is gay and ruins too many people's mental health. Worry about your own life and getting yourself ahead and chillax, no matter how hard it may seem. And continue to rage post about the Leafs with us internet strangers.
I now just follow the price of beef