OT: World Politics
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MindzEye
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Once this whole Ukraine thing is dealt with, it might be time to start rethinking and updating some of these international alliance structures. In the EU, Orban is able to obstruct basically anything he wants with little to no reprecussions other than slaps on the wrist and delayed funding and in NATO, a 3rd tier military in a dictatorship gets to tell an extremely strategically important NATO ally that it can't join.
The point of the EU was never to allow quasi democratic strongmen to hold the rest of the block hostage on security issues and the point of NATO was to put the democratic west under the US security umbrella, not to allow a regional power pivot to piss on the strategic good of the alliance to satisfy it's domestic politics.
The point of the EU was never to allow quasi democratic strongmen to hold the rest of the block hostage on security issues and the point of NATO was to put the democratic west under the US security umbrella, not to allow a regional power pivot to piss on the strategic good of the alliance to satisfy it's domestic politics.
LeafGm
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axlsalinger
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manny
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Years ago I was at a conference where some elderly, very frustrated academic said somewhat tongue-in-cheek that all the post-WWII international institutions should be dissolved and replaced with a League of Sensible Nations.
Globalist fuck and all, yeah. Everyone chuckled knowingly.
He was on to something.
Globalist fuck and all, yeah. Everyone chuckled knowingly.
He was on to something.
manny
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I think you need a “fuck off” clause in the agreement, where like if 2/3 or 3/4 of member states think you are no longer sensible, you’re out. In theory it is an incentive to remain sensible.
Many of these institutions are based on consensus so anyone can block anything from happening, ever. It was a beautiful dream, that we might just all agree, at least on the big picture issues! But that dream is dead.
Many of these institutions are based on consensus so anyone can block anything from happening, ever. It was a beautiful dream, that we might just all agree, at least on the big picture issues! But that dream is dead.
lecoqsportif
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But then there’s Russia, which bombed Grozny into the Stone Age and killed 10s of thousands of co-religionists in the 2nd Chechen War.
Of course, none of that piqued Erdogan’s fragile strongman ego.
Of course, none of that piqued Erdogan’s fragile strongman ego.
LeafGm
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Are there any current non-Muslim world leaders who can rival Putin for the sheer amount of Islamic blood they have on their hands?
Xi would be the only one, I’d think.
lecoqsportif
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The junta in Myanmar seems nasty.
And Modi needs to stay chill… yikes.
But Xi, yeah. Ugh.
And Modi needs to stay chill… yikes.
But Xi, yeah. Ugh.
lecoqsportif
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Looks like Germany has relented re: tanks. Announcement expected tomorrow.
lecoqsportif
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Spain sending 53 Leopards.
Wayward DP
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I read somewhere that Ukraine needs at least 100 to make any difference, and they want a fleet of 300.
Spain's 53, plus the Germans handful, plus whatever Poland gives them gets them real close to that 100 mark you gotta think.
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lecoqsportif
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Norway sending some.
And I assume Poland.
Spanish kit needs to be refurbished, so unclear how many will be operational and when.
And I assume Poland.
Spanish kit needs to be refurbished, so unclear how many will be operational and when.