OT: World Politics

[Volcanologist]

maybe Prigo shouldn't have turned those tanks around after all

 

[axlsalinger]

maybe Prigo shouldn't have turned those tanks around after all

Yup, seemed fairly obvious he signed his own death certificate at that moment.

 

[AP79]

Its pretty amazing that russian bigwigs let themselves get pocked off like this and none of them try to off putin first.

I've been taught to never underestimate my enemies, but it seems like the financial and military leaders of Russia tend to act all to frequently like they're in a bad parody of a Wile E Coyote and Road Runner cartoon. I honestly did not think that they could be this stupid. I clearly have over-estimated them.

 

[LeafGm]

Yeah, I was baffled at the time as to how Prigozhin figured he could get away with aborting a coup against Putin partway through the attempt and still live.

And even moreso when he kept jetting around inside Russia with impunity afterwards.

Will be fascinating to see if he had any contingency plans in place and/or if there’s any blowback from whatever remains of Wagner. Or if he’s just a jumped-up dumb thug who overplayed his hand.

 

[Montana]

I think he def had a contingency plan that Putin was aware of, (hence the soft response from Vlad at the time)…..but I suspect Putin’s been able to thwart that plan in advance of assassinating him.

Hope I’m wrong tho, would be fascinating to see just what Prigozhin’s killswitch threat was.

 

[MindzEye]

maybe Prigo shouldn't have turned those tanks around after all

My mind was legitimately boggled.

 

[lecoqsportif]

“Embraer has complied with international sanctions imposed on Russia.”

 

[lecoqsportif]

Apparently the high command of Wagner was on that plane.

 

[MindzEye]

Apparently the high command of Wagner was on that plane.

Well...that just strikes me as fucking stupid.

 

[lecoqsportif]

It was a Vexler on YT who mentioned that. Not sure if true. Seems improbably dumb. Maybe I misinterpreted.

 

[MindzEye]

Russian language news is claiming the jet turned its transponder off and was them misidentified by Russian Air defence and shot down.

Turned off your transponder is the new fell out of your window I guess.

 

[lecoqsportif]

Apparently co-founder Dmitry Utkin (aka “Wagner”) and a couple of other senior people were indeed on the plane.

 

[LeafGm]

Apparently co-founder Dmitry Utkin (aka “Wagner”) and a couple of other senior people were indeed on the plane.

Rest in piss

 

[MindzEye]

Wagner troops ‘plotting march to Russia to avenge leader’s death’

Wagner mercenaries were on Thursday reported to be trying to head back into Russia after threatening retaliation over the suspected killing of their leader Yevgeny Prigozhin in a plane crash on the orders of Vladimir Putin. “The convoys are likely heading towards the border with Russia,” the...

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[anne25]

Has there been any confirmation other than the flight manifest that Prigozhin was actually on the plane?

 

[axlsalinger]

Wagner troops ‘plotting march to Russia to avenge leader’s death’

Wagner mercenaries were on Thursday reported to be trying to head back into Russia after threatening retaliation over the suspected killing of their leader Yevgeny Prigozhin in a plane crash on the orders of Vladimir Putin. “The convoys are likely heading towards the border with Russia,” the...

ca.sports.yahoo.com

if the leadership group is gone, and many more of these guys are scared shitless, anyone who actually tries to march anywhere is heading straight to target practice.

 

[axlsalinger]

Has there been any confirmation other than the flight manifest that Prigozhin was actually on the plane?

some reports saying his body was found at the crash site, but as with any news that comes out of Russia, who knows what's really true.

 

[lecoqsportif]

if the leadership group is gone, and many more of these guys are scared shitless, anyone who actually tries to march anywhere is heading straight to target practice.

Yah, the element of surprise has been used up. More likely these guys will drift away and form/join organized crime groups. Regime loyalty is also a consideration with all that, so there would likely be some dust ups in that ecosystem.

 

[MindzEye]

if the leadership group is gone, and many more of these guys are scared shitless, anyone who actually tries to march anywhere is heading straight to target practice.

Or the next guy in line takes the obvious lesson from this to heart.

If you take a shot at the king, don't miss

 

[lecoqsportif]

Putin:

“He was a man with a difficult fate. He made some serious mistakes in his life,”