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OT: World Politics

lecoqsportif said:
Ukrainians? Chechens? Wagner exes (many of whom are convicted criminals)?
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Nice to see Russians being terrorized for a change instead of it always being the Ukrainians, although I'm sure this will simply turn out to be a false flag operation by Putin to further cement his absolute control and perhaps institute martial law. He clearly feels threatened.
 
lecoqsportif said:
How can 3 to 5 guys be a credible false flag, even for a credulous Russian audience. That’s not even a row in a single platoon. And elite commandos wouldn’t never go on a pointless suicide mission like this. It will be hard to sell as state-sponsored, even on RT.
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I've not heard or read anything to suggest that these "terrorists" have been liquidated or even apprehended.

I think this whole thing is just more Putin ratfuckery. He has no compunction about wasting his own civilians for show. This is on the Ukrainians as much as WW2 started because of "Polish aggression." This is just a pretext for Putin to go full on Stalin.
 
setting aside for a minute the obvious tragedy (so many innocent civilians slaughtered in cold blood), the politics etc of this are fascinating
 
zeke said:
Most of those innocent civilians are loving the deaths in ukraine.
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I've kept quiet on this other than straight factual stuff so far for this reason alone. I can't bring myself to care about Russian civilians getting a small dose of what they allow Putin to dump on Ukrainian citizens every day, but I also can't bring myself to enjoy civilian blood.
 
This is very disturbing, obviously. These are civilians.

But at the same time, I can recognize it is the Kremlin that created the conditions that led to this.
 
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