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OT: World Politics

WellPlayed said:
The Behind the Bastards podcast episodes on Steven Seagal are pretty great.
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a bunch of years ago I was dating a dancer and she had a bunch of Seagal stories. He used to go by the strip club she worked at doing his whole monk/shaman routine and spent almost every night of the week there whenever he was filming anything in Toronto. Was an incredibly creepy guy apparently and used the whole shaman thing to try to bring dancer to the hotel with him constantly.
 
MindzEye said:
a bunch of years ago I was dating a dancer and she had a bunch of Seagal stories. He used to go by the strip club she worked at doing his whole monk/shaman routine and spent almost every night of the week there whenever he was filming anything in Toronto. Was an incredibly creepy guy apparently and used the whole shaman thing to try to bring dancer to the hotel with him constantly.
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It’s because of stories like this why I don’t wonder about his immigration to Russia and adoration of Putin.

I’m sure Vlad feeds him a steady supply of women who aren’t allowed to say “no”.
 
Wayward DP said:
not sure where I land on this, but interesting considerations


View: https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1788461477969400037


View: https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1788463735855628586
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Frum can't be objective about anything to do with Israel. And his take that Israel and Ukraine are essentially the same is naïve. With or without US aid, Israel isn't going anywhere and are in zero danger of losing this war. There is also no way to now call this a "defensive" war. Hamas did the one bad thing back in October and everything that has happened since has been Israel bombing, strafing, and shooting the fuck out of everything, living and inanimate, in the Gaza strip. Frankly I don't even know why we in the west even need to give the Israelis aid in the first place. They could probably lend to us more easily than we can lend to them. They ain't poor. Ukraine, on the other hand, will cease to exist unless we help them. Not the same thing at all.

I hate when journalists try to conflate Hamas with the Red Army as though they were at all alike. Gaza is a sideshow, when all is said and done. Ukraine is the whole ballgame.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Frum can't be objective about anything to do with Israel. And his take that Israel and Ukraine are essentially the same is naïve. With or without US aid, Israel isn't going anywhere and are in zero danger of losing this war. There is also no way to now call this a "defensive" war. Hamas did the one bad thing back in October and everything that has happened since has been Israel bombing, strafing, and shooting the fuck out of everything, living and inanimate, in the Gaza strip. Frankly I don't even know why we in the west even need to give the Israelis aid in the first place. They could probably lend to us more easily than we can lend to them. They ain't poor. Ukraine, on the other hand, will cease to exist unless we help them. Not the same thing at all.

I hate when journalists try to conflate Hamas with the Red Army as though they were at all alike. Gaza is a sideshow, when all is said and done. Ukraine is the whole ballgame.
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Israel isn't Ukraine, and they're not Russia either. And whenever people discuss, if you give aid to Israel you are either supporting your ally or giving arms to a murdering genocidal lunatic, but if you don't give anything to them, then you're abandoning them to be ravaged by Hamas, or supporting a repressed population fight back against an oppressor. I wish it was something you could have a rational discussion about.
 
UWHabs said:
Israel isn't Ukraine, and they're not Russia either. And whenever people discuss, if you give aid to Israel you are either supporting your ally or giving arms to a murdering genocidal lunatic, but if you don't give anything to them, then you're abandoning them to be ravaged by Hamas, or supporting a repressed population fight back against an oppressor. I wish it was something you could have a rational discussion about.
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But Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world and is a nuclear power. Why would they need military aid from anyone? They have jets, they have artillery. They have bombs. And at the end of the day, their opponents have no chance of making Israel disappear. But Russia can, and is attempting, to make Ukraine disappear.

I'm saying that you can "support" the general aims of the Israelis to continue existing without the need to give them actual aid. But anything less than material support of the Ukies results in their annihilation.
 
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