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Wayward DP said:

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On the one hand, I’m a dog lover. On the other hand, I firmly believe that every Pit Bull on the face of the planet should be euthanized, and the breed should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

And the story goes into more detail about how the neighbour in question was a backyard Pit Bull breeder who’d usually have several of them at a time, and the dogs often escaped from their yard & once almost attacked Roberts and his daughter in their backyard.

All that context added though, he allegedly killed the dog because he was annoyed by its barking, not because it was threatening him or his family. And it’s obviously psychotic to kill any dog unless it’s actively attacking you or someone else.
 
Wayward DP said:
as a proud owner of a pittie, yall are fucking dog racists.
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The stats on dog attacks against other dogs & people don’t lie. Pit bulls are over represented to a wildly and undeniably disproportionate degree.

And as surely as an Australian Shepherd was bred with a natural tendency to herd things, and Golden Retrievers were bred with a compulsion to hold things softly in their mouths, Pit Bulls have been deliberately engineered by humans over many generations to be killing machines that are absolutely relentless when that switch in their head flips.

The fact that they can be the sweetest, gentlest and happiest family dogs for years only to snap out of the blue one day and rip off their owner’s face is what makes them so particularly terrifying. They’re a ticking time bomb with no discernible fuse that can go off at any time.
 
Wayward DP said:
as a proud owner of a pittie, yall are fucking dog racists.
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Edited and removed my original post because I think it came off wrong. As a dog-lover myself I'm not trying to demonize anyone's dog.

My views on Pit Bulls have been shaped from some pretty traumatic shit I witnessed when I was a kid. While that might make me biased, no one is going to convince me that any other breed of dog is capable of what I've seen a pit bull do, or the damage it can take and just keep attacking.

And the dog racist thing doesn't hold up because humans have manipulated their physical and mental traits through breeding, and I think it needs to be corrected through breeding (I'm not advocating rounding them all up and putting them down). Some people deliberately bred them to have dangerous traits for their own benefit. It's wrong and unfair to the dog, just like it's wrong that people have bred bull dogs and pugs to have flatter and flatter faces for cosmetic reason, to the point they can't breath properly anymore. I'm not saying put down all the pugs, but correct the mess we made.
 
LeafGm said:
The stats on dog attacks against other dogs & people don’t lie. Pit bulls are over represented to a wildly and undeniably disproportionate degree.

And as surely as an Australian Shepherd was bred with a natural tendency to herd things, and Golden Retrievers were bred with a compulsion to hold things softly in their mouths, Pit Bulls have been deliberately engineered by humans over many generations to be killing machines that are absolutely relentless when that switch in their head flips.

The fact that they can be the sweetest, gentlest and happiest family dogs for years only to snap out of the blue one day and rip off their owner’s face is what makes them so particularly terrifying. They’re a ticking time bomb with no discernible fuse that can go off at any time.
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and I can show you stats that paint a very different picture than the one you'd like to have illustrated. along with peer reviewed articles, etc.

but I really don't want to get into it.

but also, your dog racism is upsetting.
 
WellPlayed said:
Edited and removed my original post because I think it came off wrong. As a dog-lover myself I'm not trying to demonize anyone's dog.

My views on Pit Bulls have been shaped from some pretty traumatic shit I witnessed when I was a kid. While that might make me biased, no one is going to convince me that any other breed of dog is capable of what I've seen a pit bull do, or the damage it can take and just keep attacking.

And the dog racist thing doesn't hold up because humans have manipulated their physical and mental traits through breeding, and I think it needs to be corrected through breeding (I'm not advocating rounding them all up and putting them down). Some people deliberately bred them to have dangerous traits for their own benefit. It's wrong and unfair to the dog, just like it's wrong that people have bred bull dogs and pugs to have flatter and flatter faces for cosmetic reason, to the point they can't breath properly anymore. I'm not saying put down all the pugs, but correct the mess we made.
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this logic can be applied to any dog where humans have bred undesirable behaviours into it. my objection is applying it only to one specific breed.
 
WellPlayed said:
Edited and removed my original post because I think it came off wrong. As a dog-lover myself I'm not trying to demonize anyone's dog.

My views on Pit Bulls have been shaped from some pretty traumatic shit I witnessed when I was a kid. While that might make me biased, no one is going to convince me that any other breed of dog is capable of what I've seen a pit bull do, or the damage it can take and just keep attacking.

And the dog racist thing doesn't hold up because humans have manipulated their physical and mental traits through breeding, and I think it needs to be corrected through breeding (I'm not advocating rounding them all up and putting them down). Some people deliberately bred them to have dangerous traits for their own benefit. It's wrong and unfair to the dog, just like it's wrong that people have bred bull dogs and pugs to have flatter and flatter faces for cosmetic reason, to the point they can't breath properly anymore. I'm not saying put down all the pugs, but correct the mess we made.
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Yeah, same thing happened with American Doberman's in the 90's. There's two fairly distinct sub breeds, Euro & American. The American Dobie got certain aesthetic traits bred into them over a few decades that came with some undesirable anxiety/snap aggression traits that led to Doberman's being 2nd among dog breeds for attacks in the US (lol, behind Pitties). Euro's never had the same problems though and have always been considered a low risk breed despite being bigger than the American Doberman. American breeders spent the better part of a decade basically "fixing" the mistakes made in the 70's-90's. Pitties need a similar intervention.

They're always going to be among dog attack leaders though. They attract too many of the wrong type of owners, they tolerate cramped living conditions better than other larger potentially dangerous breeds, so it's easier for them to end up living in apartment buildings...which is a fucking terrible environment for anything but small dogs imo. I think too much is made of how capable they are though. They're definitely tough, but nothing special. Maybe a touch tougher "pound for pound" than other breeds, but nothing incredibly different. A 110 lb rottweiler is going to fuck shit up worse than a 70 pound pitbull, 130+ pound Mastiff's even moreso. Doberman's actually generate 2-3x more bite force than any other dog on the planet. Corso's, specialty doggos like Tosa's, Anatolian Sheps, Caucasians, Dogo Argentino's etc...all tougher/more dangerous than Pitties imo.
 
WellPlayed said:
Thanks man - he survived, barely. Was a long recovery though and he was never really the same after. Good old (rough) Collie - made damn sure he got between the Pit and me before the Pit got to us. I was 7 or 8 the time. He's long gone now but I owe him everything.
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Had similarish happen to me as a kid, about 9-10 yrs old. Luckily we had a monster 170 pound malamute with a bit of an attitude problem at the time to sort the pitbull out. Bandit was the reason we lived in a shit neighbourhood but still never had to lock our back door at night.
 
MindzEye said:
Had similarish happen to me as a kid, about 9-10 yrs old. Luckily we had a monster 170 pound malamute with a bit of an attitude problem at the time to sort the pitbull out. Bandit was the reason we lived in a shit neighbourhood but still never had to lock our back door at night.
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Dogs are the best. And 170lbs jesus, I didn't know malamutes got that big.

I was playing out on the edge of our 3 acre lot in the middle of nowhere Ontario. Pitbull came out of the woods. Dad was outside but at the shop on the other corner of the property, so it took him a while to get to us at a full sprint after he heard the commotion. No one else around. Crazy to think how it could have ended up if my dog wasn't there.
 
WellPlayed said:
Thanks man - he survived, barely. Was a long recovery though and he was never really the same after. Good old (rough) Collie - made damn sure he got between the Pit and me before the Pit got to us. I was 7 or 8 the time. He's long gone now but I owe him everything.
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There’s no greater love than throwing yourself into harm’s way to protect someone you care about. Sounds like he was a real good boy.
 
WellPlayed said:
Dogs are the best. And 170lbs jesus, I didn't know malamutes got that big.
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There's a "giant" malamute sub breed that can hit 180-200. They're usually in the 90-120 pound range though, we had another one after Bandit that ran 135 pounds for most of her life, which is big big for a female. They're tough as nails as a breed.

WellPlayed said:
I was playing out on the edge of our 3 acre lot in the middle of nowhere Ontario. Pitbull came out of the woods. Dad was outside but at the shop on the other corner of the property, so it took him a while to get to us at a full sprint after he heard the commotion. No one else around. Crazy to think how it could have ended up if my dog wasn't there.
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Jeebus. Your Good Boy was a best boy apparently. Yeah man, they're the best. I'm planning on a couple of Doberman's when I get situated in Mexico.

I grew up in Tandridge in the 80's, half of the douchebags in the neighbourhood had a pitbull back then. Had one that was wandering off leash take a run at me out front of the townhouse I lived in and I tripped trying to run away from it. Bandit was rag dolling it before I hit the ground.
 
boyfriend's neighbour has a presa canario and constantly brags about it's bite force. hopefully if it bites anyone's face off its that douchebag.
 
hockeylover said:
boyfriend's neighbour has a presa canario and constantly brags about it's bite force. hopefully if it bites anyone's face off its that douchebag.
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Sadly it usually ends up being someone else's trauma.

I try to be on the side of "not the doggo's fault", but I struggle with the idea of breeds created specifically for aggression/fighting and the traits remaining unchanged up to today like Presa's, Tosa's, Kutta's, Dogo Argentino, etc. Especially if they're not dual use herding/guarding dogs.
 
Wayward DP said:
and I can show you stats that paint a very different picture than the one you'd like to have illustrated. along with peer reviewed articles, etc.

but I really don't want to get into it.

but also, your dog racism is upsetting.
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I do completely disagree with you on this topic, but on further reflection, I won’t belabour my point, because I both like & respect you and because as a guy who’s owned dogs for almost 30 years and recently lost one, I recognize they’re a very emotional topic and it’s not my desire to upset you.

I will clarify that my first post had some over-the-top hyperbole. I do think the existing Pit Bull population should be wound down through import bans, bans on breeding them and bans on owning intact Pit Bulls.

But snatching away or euthanizing peoples existing dogs isn’t something I’d actually support. My apologies for suggesting that.
 
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