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Montana
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DLH Vs Bernard, Roy Vs Virgil Hill, R.Garcia Vs Campbell, Hatton Vs Castillo….and on and on….its the one thing toughness, and will just can’t overcome.
Its also what made Gatti-Ward so nuts….one thing for Gatti to take that punishment to the head, but him getting up from the body shots, is still the craziest part of the whole fight. Nobody could hit that liver shot with quite like Ward.
Montana
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Huge props to Ryan for making that fight happen tho, we’ve seen fights like this dodged by guys in his position forever. So to take that huge a swing on the hardest fight possible for him, was incredibly brave.
Hopefully he crushes at 140…Gervonta continues to wreck, and we get an even bigger money rematch down the road.
Hopefully he crushes at 140…Gervonta continues to wreck, and we get an even bigger money rematch down the road.
GGpX
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Yup. Boxing has always had a huge culture based around the fighters' records, which is one of the reasons so many of them never fought. They don't want their unblemished records to be in jeopardy.
Whereas MMA, record isn't irrelevant, but it's not nearly as important. BJ Penn, one of the absolute great MMA fighters ever, was 15-5-1 in his last great performance as a fighter against Joe Stevenson, and a bunch of people put him in the Mount Rushmore of MMA discussion. Could you imagine a boxer that won less than 75% of his fights be in that conversation?
Let 'em fight, and let the best man win.
I want to see Tank against the winner of Loma-Haney.
Whereas MMA, record isn't irrelevant, but it's not nearly as important. BJ Penn, one of the absolute great MMA fighters ever, was 15-5-1 in his last great performance as a fighter against Joe Stevenson, and a bunch of people put him in the Mount Rushmore of MMA discussion. Could you imagine a boxer that won less than 75% of his fights be in that conversation?
Let 'em fight, and let the best man win.
I want to see Tank against the winner of Loma-Haney.
Nah, they got it very right 3-2. Argument whether it’s 4-1 I guess?
That Irish guy Shawn or something - like how he judges fights. They flashed him 3-0 to start and could see that. Had round 2 as a swing round (leaned to Sterling, but could see him landing at the bottom to end the round coukd away ppl - but no damage and he had the round before that)
Edit: takedowns without damage isn’t being rewarded (and I agree) compared to what Sterling did on his feet/clinch. Why I thought round 2 could go to Sterling as well.
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Montana
Champion
goddamn.
Dana might be one of the most evil fuckers out there when you consider how much borderline slave labor he utilized to build that company into the empire it is….(especially when factoring in how short MMA career earnings windows are, the tiny % of revenue shared over the years, and the huge risks, both short term and longterm these guys took on, with zero healthcare….many will have brutal post career lives, where their medical costs outweigh their earnings, I suspect…..not even getting into the sponsorship bullshit as well…)
…but god fucking damn it, am I ever a piece of shit who still laps it up, cause he gives me all the fights I want to see. That’s an incredible card.
Dana might be one of the most evil fuckers out there when you consider how much borderline slave labor he utilized to build that company into the empire it is….(especially when factoring in how short MMA career earnings windows are, the tiny % of revenue shared over the years, and the huge risks, both short term and longterm these guys took on, with zero healthcare….many will have brutal post career lives, where their medical costs outweigh their earnings, I suspect…..not even getting into the sponsorship bullshit as well…)
…but god fucking damn it, am I ever a piece of shit who still laps it up, cause he gives me all the fights I want to see. That’s an incredible card.
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GGpX
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I just wish the UFC fighters got paid more.
Because otherwise, the UFC gives me almost everything I could ever ask for as a fan of a sport.
I get to see the best fight the best on a consistent basis, there are very seldomly can crushing fights, there are consistent upsets, their TV product is wonderful (especially compared to boxing).
But alas, as you said... Slave labor in return for long-term cognitive damage.
Because otherwise, the UFC gives me almost everything I could ever ask for as a fan of a sport.
I get to see the best fight the best on a consistent basis, there are very seldomly can crushing fights, there are consistent upsets, their TV product is wonderful (especially compared to boxing).
But alas, as you said... Slave labor in return for long-term cognitive damage.
Montana
Champion
...this is a great point I rarely consider, but especially in this current era even when his favourites (aka highest future marketing potential) are having their careers guided through the ranks, there’s never a truly tomato can opponent. They may get advantageous stylistic matchups, avoid someone tailor made to beat them among the top 10….but there just aren‘t any outright tomato cans on cards, unless it’s a CM Punk type gimmick.
Hell half the time even the guys you think are being babied, you’ll see a matchup and be surprised they’re getting that sort of test so quick.
GGpX
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Yeah, like, the UFC is very much able to control the caliber of fights for the ones that they think have star capabilities.
It's not a coincidence that McGregor never fought a wrestler when he was going up the rankings. The first time he fought a wrestler, it was Chad Mendes and Mendes got the fight on 10 days notice when Rafael dos Anjos pulled out of the fight. That might have been the greatest stroke of luck McGregor ever had because RDA at that point in his career would have fucked McGregor's life up the same way Khabib later did.
However, the UFC can only control so much. They tried to give Paddy Pimblett, the biggest fucking fraud of a prospect I can ever remember, a push by matching him up in fights where it would be advantageous for him based on the styles, only for him to not only look like there were problems in his game, to be gifted a decision victory against a middling UFC fighter. Pimblett's toast as a prospect. He should be thanking his lucky stars he never ended up fighting Illia Topuria after they got in a tussle before one of their fights. Topuria might be a weight class below Pimblett, but he would have done some nasty things to him.
There will be the occasional fight where it's a mismatch, but more often than not, it's a last minute replacement fight and not something that was organized weeks ahead of time. Excluding the gimmick CM Punk esque fights, the only real can crushing fight I can really remember was when Chad Mendes was put up against Cody McKenzie. That was one of the rare times that everyone should have been screaming from the rooftops, bet the fucking house, Mendes ain't losing this.
That's not to say that some fights end up as mismatches, like this weekend's main event, but when you have two fighters that are in the top-10? Impossible to call that can-crushing.
It's not a coincidence that McGregor never fought a wrestler when he was going up the rankings. The first time he fought a wrestler, it was Chad Mendes and Mendes got the fight on 10 days notice when Rafael dos Anjos pulled out of the fight. That might have been the greatest stroke of luck McGregor ever had because RDA at that point in his career would have fucked McGregor's life up the same way Khabib later did.
However, the UFC can only control so much. They tried to give Paddy Pimblett, the biggest fucking fraud of a prospect I can ever remember, a push by matching him up in fights where it would be advantageous for him based on the styles, only for him to not only look like there were problems in his game, to be gifted a decision victory against a middling UFC fighter. Pimblett's toast as a prospect. He should be thanking his lucky stars he never ended up fighting Illia Topuria after they got in a tussle before one of their fights. Topuria might be a weight class below Pimblett, but he would have done some nasty things to him.
There will be the occasional fight where it's a mismatch, but more often than not, it's a last minute replacement fight and not something that was organized weeks ahead of time. Excluding the gimmick CM Punk esque fights, the only real can crushing fight I can really remember was when Chad Mendes was put up against Cody McKenzie. That was one of the rare times that everyone should have been screaming from the rooftops, bet the fucking house, Mendes ain't losing this.
That's not to say that some fights end up as mismatches, like this weekend's main event, but when you have two fighters that are in the top-10? Impossible to call that can-crushing.