Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
He had rest for almost two seasons. Yeah you gotta consider the knee but the other wear and tear on the body didn't happen for almost two years. He's rejuvenated IMO.
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He had rest for almost two seasons. Yeah you gotta consider the knee but the other wear and tear on the body didn't happen for almost two years. He's rejuvenated IMO.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
Habsy
Not playing around anymore.
I have no problem with people hating on Subban, it just lends credence to the fact he's a top defenseman.
corksens
Legend
This board used to thrive on 3 year splits - now we're onto 2 year splits.
But that is rather underwhelming considering we had a half season last year and are only 29 games into this season. Clearly we have to expand our frame when comparing two players.
corksens
Legend
He's not the best offensive defender in the NHL right now though. Karlsson is. Clearly.
JaysCyYoung
Legend
Keith is better than either of them right now anyways.
corksens
Legend
Not sure if serious.
You are trying to claim that Subban playing with someone like Markov would lead to LESS points than Karlsson playing with Methot (or amazingly Phillips at times). Really?
Karlsson isn't getting fed the puck. He's doing the feeding without the assistance of one of the best veteran defensemen in the game.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
How many times does this need to be explained to you? Zeke and I had a fairly long winded debate on 2 year splits versus 3 year splits. This occurred at least 3-4 years ago now. Over the course of the discussion, Zeke sold me on 2 year splits being superior is most circumstances. I was previously a proponent of the 3 yr split as it was the staple of baseball statistics.
Subban has now produced as a 70+ point defender over the course of the last ~70 games spanning 2 NHL seasons, why exactly do you think a 36 point season is relevant to determining how good Subban is currently?
Basically, you're holding Karlsson's injury against Subban for some odd reason. Compare Subban's current form with an extended version of Karlsson's if you'd like, but there's simply nothing relevant about Subban's 11-12
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Karlsson might be, but there's nothing "clear" about it.
zeke
Well-known member
a weighted 3yr split would probably be better than either of simple 3yr or 2yr splits, really. I like the 3yr splits but just think it misleads when it come to very young and very old players, while the 2yr split does a surprisingly good job by itself.
and yes, when the the 2yr split has fewer games than the 3rd year does by itself, then a 3yr split is probably a good idea.
especially when talking about a young guy lik ekarlsson.
and yes, when the the 2yr split has fewer games than the 3rd year does by itself, then a 3yr split is probably a good idea.
especially when talking about a young guy lik ekarlsson.
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Not quite a full seasons worth of play no. But we're talking about 70 games from Subban at that level versus 120-130 from Karlsson. Neither have a hefty data set to draw from and I prefer to weight the most recent heavier when analysing a player
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MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Meh, I didn't think that defender scoring would do what it has over the last 2-3 seasons. We've had 3 defenders score at PPG paces over the last 3 seasons after that disappearing for a bunch of years. This year looks like we might have 3-4 guys approach or break 70 points.
I based my Karlsson opinion on the spread between him and the rest of the field offensively more than anything else. I didn't believe that there would be a perennial ~PPG defender in a league where everyone else was scoring 40-50 points.
