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Playoff GDT: Round 1, Game 2 Canes v. Senators 4/20 7:30

CanadaCanes said:
Sanderson appears to have iron lungs and him and Chabot never seemed to go off the ice. I guess as a Sens fan you say that's awesome and a Canes fan you say that starts to take a toll as the series goes on in any length...
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I mean, Chabot could barely skate by the end of the game. Going that deep in a game trying to get by with three and a half defenders was … a choice, I guess. Thomson played less than 20 total shifts and Gilbert played more than 20 shifts less than the other vets. That’s just not sustainable and the longer that game went the less viable it became. The same will apply to the series.

On the upside for Ottawa, Green DID finally wake up and realize that Nick Cousins was killing his 3rd line and shifted Foegele onto that line. That allowed them to at least hang with Stank’s group a bit. Well, that and the fact that the refs allowed various Senators to drape themselves all over Blake without ever calling hooking/holding/water skiing.
 
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Interesting take by Mike Johnson this AM. Staal
had possession and control— he had the puck where he wanted it, why would he need to be touching it?? The control/possession is a subjective factor— to the player on ice it’s one thing, for the league/officiating it’s a different standard.
 
Its nuts to me that the linesman/league office found the replays of the Staal entry definitive enough to overturn the goal. By what standard was THAT definitive? They had to make up a questionable explanation to justify calling that offsides. If you have to twist around words like possession and control, then, well, it was NOT DEFINITIVE then.
 
Welcome to NHL officiating. Rinse/repeat. I’ve watched a lot of non-Habs games and the officiating is crap across the board. There’s just no telling what is and isn’t a penalty anymore. That also applies to offsides, goalie interference, icings etc. There is no uniformity whatsoever.
 
When you can make a coherent argument for and against a call being correct, then that’s textbook subjective judgement. And that’s NOT what replay is supposed to be used to address. It’s not even as stupid/silly as Nate MacKinnon’s toe dangling outside the bench door causing an offsides on review a few years ago. At least that wasn’t down to some dipstick’s opinion. It either happened or it didn’t. THAT’s what replay is for, even thought it was equally annoying.
 
Habsy said:
Welcome to NHL officiating. Rinse/repeat. I’ve watched a lot of non-Habs games and the officiating is crap across the board. There’s just no telling what is and isn’t a penalty anymore. That also applies to offsides, goalie interference, icings etc. There is no uniformity whatsoever.
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Oh, for sure. Although I would submit that when you put Jean Hebert and Francois St Laurent on the ice together in THAT building, it’s 100% going to be a terribly officiated game. Because those two have never called a decent game in that building. I get that in the NHL, your options for refs range from bad to terrible, but some things are utterly predictable.
 
I agree with you regarding those two. There are others though. There might be 4 or 5 good refs out of the bunch. Few and far between.
 
jeffbear said:
I mean, Chabot could barely skate by the end of the game. Going that deep in a game trying to get by with three and a half defenders was … a choice, I guess. Thomson played less than 20 total shifts and Gilbert played more than 20 shifts less than the other vets. That’s just not sustainable and the longer that game went the less viable it became. The same will apply to the series.

On the upside for Ottawa, Green DID finally wake up and realize that Nick Cousins was killing his 3rd line and shifted Foegele onto that line. That allowed them to at least hang with Stank’s group a bit. Well, that and the fact that the refs allowed various Senators to drape themselves all over Blake without ever calling hooking/holding/water skiing.
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They were the Bayda cloak of invisibility... (the Sens draped on Blake)
 
cmaleski2 said:
Its nuts to me that the linesman/league office found the replays of the Staal entry definitive enough to overturn the goal. By what standard was THAT definitive? They had to make up a questionable explanation to justify calling that offsides. If you have to twist around words like possession and control, then, well, it was NOT DEFINITIVE then.
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Kind of reminds me of "depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
 
jeffbear said:
I mean, Chabot could barely skate by the end of the game. Going that deep in a game trying to get by with three and a half defenders was … a choice, I guess. Thomson played less than 20 total shifts and Gilbert played more than 20 shifts less than the other vets. That’s just not sustainable and the longer that game went the less viable it became.
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The same was true of the forwards. The Canes played much more balanced minutes. That’s why the 4th line started to cause so much havoc in 2OT and the other lines got going too. The Sens went for it in the 3d and the 1OT. We survived on great goaltending and a little bit of luck. But, as you said, what the Sens were doing was not sustainable and they wilted in 2OT.
 
jeffbear said:
Oh, for sure. Although I would submit that when you put Jean Hebert and Francois St Laurent on the ice together in THAT building, it’s 100% going to be a terribly officiated game. Because those two have never called a decent game in that building. I get that in the NHL, your options for refs range from bad to terrible, but some things are utterly predictable.
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It was Furman South, not St. Laurent but the point holds. Hebert has worked the last 2 Finals. South was working his 4th ever playoff game, having worked 3 last year.

The guy that sits next to me always asks about the officials when they’re displayed on the Jumbotron. My reaction is always the same…they all suck.
 
cmaleski2 said:
Its nuts to me that the linesman/league office found the replays of the Staal entry definitive enough to overturn the goal. By what standard was THAT definitive? They had to make up a questionable explanation to justify calling that offsides. If you have to twist around words like possession and control, then, well, it was NOT DEFINITIVE then.
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That's the league in a nutshell...if you are splitting hairs that fine by spending 15 minutes to make up shit to justify bad calls and decisions then the players really are not deciding games at all, the league is. Who pays that kind of money to watch linesmen become the show...that's already been a huge beef the past couple years how these NHL linesmen think everyone comes to watch them throw countless guys out of the faceoff all game long. Exhibit A in game one Sunday where we watched the linesmen throw 8-10 Canes out of the faceoff and the Sens guys get a warning and then they butchered two blatant icings too where the Sens defender just stopped skating for the puck...that use to be an automatic wash on an icing every time...
 
I'ts going to be interesting to see what Ottawa does with last change. It looks like Carolina is happy to go strength on strength which so far has effectively cancelled each team's first line out. Go ahead and pick your poison.
 
jeffbear said:
When you can make a coherent argument for and against a call being correct, then that’s textbook subjective judgement.
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This needs to be the standard. The situation where they clearly botched a call. Not splitting hairs to see if it might have been… …a catch, safe, offsides, across the line…. Then fix those and go on. But to try to get down to the minute detail and then make a judgement to overturn is no good.

It’s gotta be - yeah that’s an obviously wrong call so fix it or it’s not that let’s move on as it was called.
 
Great sarcastic article on the offside controversy in The Athletic. My favorite bit was "in the end, the hockey gods got together and decided 'puck don't lie.'"
 
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