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The ****ing Season thread, 2015/16 Edition

We do get the 2nd rounder back if they miss the playoffs this year (Pittsburgh's originally that we got for Winnik) then next year if they made it we'd get their first and they'd get our second... at least I think.

Kinda sucks that there was conditions on the deal anyway but with what Hunter did this year at the draft table I'm not too worried.
 
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hockeylover said:
We do get the 2nd rounder back if they miss the playoffs this year (Pittsburgh's originally that we got for Winnik) then next year if they made it we'd get their first and they'd get our second... at least I think.

Kinda sucks that there was conditions on the deal anyway but with what Hunter did this year at the draft table I'm not too worried.
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Is that the way the deal is?

I thought if PIT makes playoff this year we get their 1st round pick and we give them our 2nd
If PIT misses playoff then we just get their 2nd rounder from next year

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number17 said:
Is that the way the deal is?

I thought if PIT makes playoff this year we get their 1st round pick and we give them our 2nd
If PIT misses playoff then we just get their 2nd rounder from next year

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If they miss the playoffs this year, we get their first next year. If they miss the playoffs this year and next year, we get next year's second.

At least that's how I understand what's written here: http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/MapleLeafs.htm
 
Yeah, that's how I understand the deal too HL. The second round pick that's in play this year also isn't our own second round pick. It's Pittsburgh's second rounder, which we originally got in the Winnik trade last year.
 
hockeylover said:
Correct. And we never give them a 2nd.
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We'd also get Pittsburgh's 2017 second rounder if they miss the playoffs this year and next.

So, we either end up with one first round pick or two second round picks. That's probably the simplest way to look at it.
 
Volcanologist said:
you're just realizing we traded Kessel for half a bagel now?
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No, but what was said above made it seem like we get zero picks if they miss the next two years.

I've always taken it as a given that Pitts isn't missing this year or next. So yeah, it is something new to think they might not make it. That'd be a disaster.
 
I don't know why you'd call that a disaster. Like LeafGm said its One 1st round pick vs Two 2nd round picks. Hunter will do good with either
 
Let's face it, the deal is horrible for Pittsburgh. Kessel isn't scoring and the team is terrible. Nothing can fix them. They are old, slow, can't hit, no depth, no prospects and the "Stars" are not playing like it anymore.
Good luck trading Phil when Crosby wants out.
 
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ya it certainly looks like we got out of that one just in the nick of time. Thankfully Shannahan saw how urgently they needed to rid themselves of that player and that contract.
 
JackBurton said:
Let's face it, the deal is horrible for Pittsburgh. Kessel isn't scoring and the team is terrible. Nothing can fix them. They are old, slow, can't hit, no depth, no prospects and the "Stars" are not playing like it anymore.
Good luck trading Phil when Crosby wants out.
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C'mon forget what Phil or the Pens are doing right now , Leafs got Fk all for one of the best scorers over a five year span who was under contract and you picked some salary with conditions in place.
 
Well, Burton's right that from Pittsburgh's perspective, it's a horrible deal. Another offensive forward with a high cap hit who's pushing 30 was not what the Penguins needed to push them back over the top.

And the fact that they've got $6.8M in cap space tied up in Kessel in long term, and tied up most of the premium future assets they've got left in the Kessel trade (their 2014 first rounder, and their 2016/17 first and second rounders) means they don't have any of that available to them to address the team's needs. Imagine how much farther ahead they'd put that cap space and those assets towards fixing their blueline?

From the Leafs' perspective, the deal was still pretty underwhelming. It sucks that we retained salary, got a first round pick with a lot of conditions attached and that we also have to give them back a second round pick.

But the gamble Shanahan & co made was that if Kessel came back and still dogged it with Babcock behind the bench, or if he finally started running into injury problems, or if he dropped significantly below the 30 goals/80 points he'd been scoring for us, there would probably be no getting rid of him at all. With Kessel on pace for about 20 goals and 50 points, that's looking like a pretty solid bet right now.
 
I've seen a lot of people bitch about the return on the Kessel trade, but it was reasonably good. The worst thing is the salary retention. Two very good prospects, a useful plug and one or two early round pick(s) ... not too bad. You get one or two solid NHLers out of this and it's a decent trade.
 
It wasn't a great return for the Leafs. But it's much worse from Pittsburgh's perspective. WTF is the point to having Kessel? They have to rebuild and he's scoring less with Sid and Gino than with Tyler Bozak. That wasn't supposed to be the case when the trade was made.
 
JackBurton said:
It wasn't a great return for the Leafs. But it's much worse from Pittsburgh's perspective. WTF is the point to having Kessel? They have to rebuild and he's scoring less with Sid and Gino than with Tyler Bozak. That wasn't supposed to be the case when the trade was made.
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sounds like fans / media are also starting to turn on kessel.

sid deserves a big share of the blame because he isn't playing well. but i can't say i'm surprised that people are frustrated by kessel's complete unwillingness to compete every shift, or ever on the wall or in the defensive zone.
 
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