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The Mother-fucking goddamn Off-season Thread

Exactly, Auston has a responsibility to make things right for the players. Even if he bends over for your buddies at Rogers/Bell, he should still see a healthy raise.
 
Yep. He should definitely make it harder for his team to win than the other super elite players do.

faulty premise..cap is on an imminent and steep rise

Plus, McDavid saved team $$$ so they could sign a backup goalie for $5M/yr

Why should Auston trust Treliving to be any different.
 
I don't think zeke has argued about the proper valuation of superstar players. It's more about the comps. These are two different discussions.

the comps don't take into account a rapidly rising salary cap...faulty as fuck
 
If Auston thinks Tre is going to utilize that money poorly then maybe he should request a trade and sign elsewhere.

At the end of the day, I don't disagree that it's totally up to him. We don't know what is in his head. He can go nuts and squeeze out every last penny or he can be happy with a slightly lesser amount in the hopes that it gives his team a better chance to win, as many players have done elsewhere. It's up to him in the end and we can speculate all day about what's in his head but it's nothing more than firing darts and taking guesses.
 
faulty premise..cap is on an imminent and steep rise

Plus, McDavid saved team $$$ so they could sign a backup goalie for $5M/yr

Why should Auston trust Treliving to be any different.

Yes it would give his GM more leeway when he makes mistakes.
 
They were not.
Haha

you bristled when I mentioned 8x14
Whereas I would love it if the Habs had a crack at Matthew at that price.

It’d still be a bargain but you’re clearly clinging to past prices
 
Poor Zeke — Special summer contract edition.

Superfan Dom with the unbiased calculator on Auston’s next contract. $14M is still a very good deal for the Leafs.


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I mean I think we all agree he would be worth more than $13m. But silly NHL culture dictates he will not max out his contract is what I understand the zeke argument to be. That and his comparables. The top players in the league are underpaid relative to what they bring and we should start taking advantage.
 
faulty premise..cap is on an imminent and steep rise

Plus, McDavid saved team $$$ so they could sign a backup goalie for $5M/yr

Why should Auston trust Treliving to be any different.
I'm not convinced you actually believe what you're arguing
 
Haha

you bristled when I mentioned 8x14
Whereas I would love it if the Habs had a crack at Matthew at that price.

It’d still be a bargain but you’re clearly clinging to past prices
I mean this is the Marner shit all over again. Sure, he's probably worth his contract. No, none of his peers signed anything remotely comparable. We had to be the trail blazers. All we're asking is to stop trail blazing and sign a similar contract to other stars. Obviously it's up to Matthews at the end of the day which route to take.
 
I mean this is the Marner shit all over again. Sure, he's probably worth his contract. No, none of his peers signed anything remotely comparable. We had to be the trail blazers. All we're asking is to stop trail blazing and sign a similar contract to other stars. Obviously it's up to Matthews at the end of the day which route to take.

no doubts Leafs will get a deal in relation to actual value — what I’m saying is don’t be a pig about it
 
Haha

you bristled when I mentioned 8x14
Whereas I would love it if the Habs had a crack at Matthew at that price.

It’d still be a bargain but you’re clearly clinging to past prices

Matthews could ask for the max and get it. I said a long time ago that they should just hand matthews the chequebook and let him write the number. Nothing you said made me bristle.

This has nothing to do with forwards or backwards looking, only with what percentage of the cap he gets. Dom is right that he is technically worth 17-19% of the cap, but Matthews also knows that other players are worth that much and none of them have taken anywhere close to that, and he has to compete against them for cups.

My figure was based on 2 things - 1. him getting the same percentage of the cap as his last contract was projected for (a cap that was projected to be higher in year 1 of his deal than it is now in year 5, meaning he knows he got a way higher percentage than they thought he would on his last contract), and 2. That he'd match the highest contract in league history, signed just last year by a guy with a cup and with much gaudier scoring numbers.
 
no doubts Leafs will get a deal in relation to actual value — what I’m saying is don’t be a pig about it
as a fan I want to maximize our team's potential success. Matthews taking a contract that makes him the highest paid player in the league but is less than what he's 'actually worth' or 'could get' seems like a fair deal for everyone.
 
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