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The Motherfucking 2021 Season Thread

leaffan2005

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whatever you think of Nylander and his critics, I think we can all agree it's not a good sign to see his ice dropping and him getting benched by Keefe.

This is really the salient point.

Not sure why everybody gets their panties in a knot whenever there is even the slightest bit of criticism thrown his way. The media definitely is too hard on him but I feel like he can do no wrong around these parts. The truth is probably somewhere in between but yeah, him getting benched again for effort related purposes is not a good sign in what, his 5th season?
 

hockeylover

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I'm okay with criticism and I'm okay with the decision to bench him.

I still don't think we should trade him for a player with fewer years of control AND throw in a top prospect on top of that as was your suggestion. That's not really "the slightest bit of criticism" and not really "somewhere in between".
 

leaffan2005

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I'm okay with criticism and I'm okay with the decision to bench him.

I still don't think we should trade him for a player with fewer years of control AND throw in a top prospect on top of that as was your suggestion. That's not really "the slightest bit of criticism" and not really "somewhere in between".

I'm not even referring to that trade suggestion. Just in general. He is coddled big time around these parts and people tend to make excuses for him and remain optimistic that he will "figure things out" despite any sort of evidence that this is the case.

It's confusing really. Maybe just an overreaction the other way cause the media does come down on him even more than I am comfortable with, but he brings it on a bit himself with his routine disappearing acts and lackadaisical play.
 

BeLeafer

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Nylander has areas of his game to improve and does deserve some criticism. No issue there. The issue is the way he's constantly dumped on in the media with bullshit criticism (e.g., perimeter player, vastly underrated) and the piles of truly stupid trade suggestions that have been floated.
 

Volcanologist

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It's funny because the same media harping on the Leafs constantly to trade Nylander also hold the belief he isn't liked around the league among GMs and the Leafs won't be offered what they want for him in a trade.
 

hockeylover

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Hard to really respond in "general" so I'll just speak for myself.

I think the media says some pretty absurd things about the guy (and funny enough, they're usually former hockey players/not very good ones who also struggled with consistency) so I'll continue to make fun of them for it.

I do think that he's a talented player who does struggle with consistency issues at times, but I'm just not sure there's not a way bigger microscope on him more here than similar players around the league. Especially because the anti-Dubas pro-Lou/Hunter folks have adamantly argued that our salary structure was fundamentally flawed from the beginning so the thought was always that you'd have to trade one of the big 4.
 

LeafOfFaith

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Willy is a great player. As is, with no changes, he can be a difference maker on most nights. That alone is worth holding onto, especially with years left on what seems to be a cheap deal now.

If he takes things up a notch in terms of his confidence and aggressiveness, he'll be elite.

Why move on from that? To get a guy who can punch a face?
 

Artnes

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We saw Saturday night the circle jerk for Anderson and his 9 hits but as Mindz pointed out, almost 80% of them were him being out of position while the puck was 40ft down the ice. But because he went boom boom everyone thought he was doing something
 

LeafOfFaith

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Yup, and I do get it on some level. You like to see the opposing team get hit. It feels like there's force being exerted. I get why Habs fans are liking Anderson and aren't missing Domi. It's a fun element. But the guy misses tap ins like he did that night at a key moment. I'll keep Willy and his "floating" as per my Habs frenemy.
 

zeke

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Since Keefe took over (66gms):

Points Percentage

1. BOS 71.5% ----> (#1sv%)
2. TBL 69.4% ----> (#4sv%)
3. TOR 67.4% ----> (#18sv%)
4. PHI 66.7% ----> (#16sv%)
5. COL 65.9% ---> (#3sv%)

Regulation or Overtime Win Percentage

1. TBL 64.2%
2. TOR 62.1%
3. BOS 61.5%
4. PHI 58.7%
4. COL 58.7%
4. VGK 58.7%

Goals Scored Percentage

1. TBL 58.1%
2. BOS 56.8%
3. COL 56.4%
4. TOR 55.0%
5. PHI 54.9%

Expected Goals Scored Percentage

1. VGK 54.8%
2. CAR 53.7%
3. TBL 53.6%
4. TOR 53.4%
5. BOS 53.4%
 

zeke

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Season Stats 5v5 (Min 5mpg):

Rielly-Brodie: 19gms, 15:27mpg, 54.4xgf% (57.9gf%)
Muzzin-Holl: 19gms, 14:43mpg, 55.8xgf% (52.3gf%)
Dermott-Bogo: 14gms, 8:02mpg, 55.2xgf% (66.0gf%)
Lehtonen-Bogo: 6gms, 6:33mpg, 54.9xgf% (80.8gf%)
Lehtonen-Dermott: 3gms, 5:58mpg, 36.4xgf% (0.0gf%)
 

zeke

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Summary of Friedman's 31 thoughts segment on Calgary:

"Oh man. Friedman Disclosed some pretty telling issues in Calgary.


Elliotte Friedman states it all started with the Muzzin puck incident
• They had an internal meeting after that and it went sideways after that
• Tkachuk was frustrated, he feels that some of his teammates didn't want him creating something every game.
• Tkachuk is confused with that as that is how he plays the game, causing chaos and getting everyone involved
• Markstromm charged down the ice, twice. Elliotte thinks it's to send a message that "we are not playing hard enough"
• Elliotte says that the Calgary group is not playing for each other
• Brad Treliving is making calls on a lot of guys. Not only for Sam Bennett.
• Elliotte says Calgary are looking at this as "It's time to change our group" (Hard to do due to Border-- but they are trying to change there group)"



Trust zeke, @leaffan2005 .
 

Artnes

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Tkachuk needs to find that line between being a pest and being a ******* that disrupts the group. Once he figures that out he will be a good borderline top 3 winger

Right now he is that buddy every had/has that deserve a poke and you let it happen hoping he will learn his lesson
 
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