The Motherfucking 2021 Season Thread

[leafman101]

Freddy was clearly regarded as a top 10 goalie around the league. He finished 4th in Vezina voting a few years ago.

now who knows? But you can’t really argue that he wasn’t seen as/wasn’t a top ranked goalie.

 

[Preston]

I know Toronto fans might be annoying to some and folks like talking down anything they may believe about their market. But I don't get how one could argue about Freddy's reputation being bloated. That's a strange one for me.

 

[CH1]

I know Toronto fans might be annoying to some and folks like talking down anything they may believe about their market. But I don't get how one could argue about Freddy's reputation being bloated. That's a strange one for me.

Precisely, he is (was) bloated in your market...I'm disagreeing on how much that take travels. You and Zekey might be 100% right...every GM watches Sportsnet for insights.

unfortunately, you'll have to wait until July to prove it

 

[zeke]

links provided.

 

[CH1]

links provided.

yes, thank-you....already responded...let's regroup in July

 

[Jeremy]

Problem is he might be pricing himself into staying.

Oh the horror

 

[Artnes]

Speaking of Fred

 

[Wayward DP]

I support Fred's mystery 'injury' for so long as it means we keep riding Jack.

 

[hockeylover]

Had this argument twice before the playoffs last year with non-Leaf fans I know (Flyers fan Bruins fan) Both argued he is top 10 in the league playing in front of bad D.

 

[zeke]

Had this argument twice before the playoffs last year with non-Leaf fans I know (Flyers fan Bruins fan) Both argued he is top 10 in the league playing in front of bad D.

habs fans are adorable.

 

[LeafOfFaith]

.905 is better than .897, so sure, why not?

That's 8 goals per 1000 shots, or about 5 goals less than Freddy himself has given up so far this season so far. If memory serves, the worst goalie I've mentioned as a replacement this season was in the .910-912 area at the time (.918 now, you might know him. Short, speaks with a french accent, massive fan of south african civil rights leaders)

Yeah, if you look backwards, that's what happened. If you look forward, an .897 goalie can be just as good as the .905 goalie next week, and probably will depending on who we're talking about. I'm not really interested in giving up an asset to put another lameass in Freddy's jersey and have him suck in goal. And heaven forbid he have term left. This all started with mentioning how Quick is the prime example of exactly what I don't want to see happen here.

 

[Hoss]

Speaking of Fred

hmm.. plays in with the idea that the North is trying to get the quarantine period down to 7-10 days

 

[Habsy]

I was surprised to see Hyman so high on this list

 

[Wayward DP]

I was surprised to see Hyman so high on this list

that makes eight of us.

to think, two years ago he had feet for hands.

 

[Leafin']

Is he pricing himself out?

iirc I saw on one of the intermissions them saying he could command up to 7 mil. Doubt that much but damn.

feet for hands is right. Credit to the guy for putting in the work.

 

[JackBurton]

Is he pricing himself out?

iirc I saw on one of the intermissions them saying he could command up to 7 mil. Doubt that much but damn.

feet for hands is right. Credit to the guy for putting in the work.

There's no doubt he should reach 8 million soon as per the media and we'll hear 100% he's gone. I'd be pretty surprised if he left.

 

[LeafGm]

Is he pricing himself out?

iirc I saw on one of the intermissions them saying he could command up to 7 mil. Doubt that much but damn.

feet for hands is right. Credit to the guy for putting in the work.

Ignore that noise. It’s coming from the usual suspects (Dreger and his ilk), who’s tried and true method of getting clicks and attention is to troll Leaf fans over the potential salaries due to their pending free agents.

If Hyman just straight up went to the highest bidder this summer, I think he could probably get a deal somewhere in the $5M range.

If that does happen, then bon voyage Zach, we’ll miss you. But I suspect he really wants to stay and he and Dubas will figure out a contract structure that pays him well but keeps his cap hit down.

 

[trujaysfan]

He would probably get 5 years and 25 mil... so make it 8 years at 28 mil front loaded and signing bonus heavy and i think he stays.

 

[Preston]

I think he gets 6+ on the open market tbh.

 

[MindzEye]

Yeah, if you look backwards, that's what happened. If you look forward, an .897 goalie can be just as good as the .905 goalie next week, and probably will depending on who we're talking about. I'm not really interested in giving up an asset to put another lameass in Freddy's jersey and have him suck in goal. And heaven forbid he have term left. This all started with mentioning how Quick is the prime example of exactly what I don't want to see happen here.

That's not how this works at all.

Past performance and prevailing performance trends are easily the best indicators of future performance. A goalie who has put up a steady .910-.915 over his last 20, 50, & 100 games is really, really likely to give you .910-.915 over his next 50. A goalie who is trending the wrong way over his last 20 (.900), 50 (.905), & 100 (.910) is really likely to continue trending downward, or at best maintain current performance levels. There's a pretty significant gap in performance between Fred and any of the goalies I mentioned, and no, Fred isn't likely to perform better than any of them from here on in.