leafman101
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In fairness everyone stopped Ovie on that move, thats why he stopped scoring and they moved him to RW.
what was ottawa's lineup at the very end there, anyways?
Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson
Smith - Ziba - Condra
Neil - Pageau - Conacher/Stone
Karlsson - Methot
Gonchar - Phillips
Cowen - Benoit/Wiercioch/Gryba
?
So bad they finished just a handful of points behind the mighty Maple Leafs despite losing the 3 best players for almost the entire season.God, even adding Ryan and MacArthur after taking out silfverberg, Alfredsson and Gonchar, that's an abysmal line up.
To paraphrase Tyrion Lannister, 'Brian Murray is a GM with a fondness for cripples, bastards and broken things'
So bad they finished just a handful of points behind the mighty Maple Leafs despite losing the 3 best players for almost the entire season.
Perhaps your talent evaluation is lacking, or your bias is showing. Gotta be one of them.
Gonchar is a huge loss that Sens fans don't seem to be willing to admit.
That is a hall of famer that has been one of the top dmen in the NHL over the last 15 years or so.
"Karlsson is bad defensively" - Habspatrol.
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Two different goalies don't put up .930%+ numbers behind "abysmal" teams.Yeah but it took .936-.941 goaltending.
He doesn't get burned alot though. Unless you are thinking about the 2010-2011 season. Cause it didn't happen last year (pre-injury) and it certainly didn't happen when he won the Norris.He is.... that doesn't mean he's incapable of making a good defensive play. He just get's burned a lot. I've seen a lot of poor dmen make that play, and a lot better plays.
Gonchar wasn't a HHOF calibre defenseman during his time in Ottawa though. He was merely good - and only in this past season.Gonchar is a huge loss that Sens fans don't seem to be willing to admit.
That is a hall of famer that has been one of the top dmen in the NHL over the last 15 years or so.
He is.... that doesn't mean he's incapable of making a good defensive play. He just get's burned a lot. I've seen a lot of poor dmen make that play, and a lot better plays.
He doesn't get burned alot though. Unless you are thinking about the 2010-2011 season. Cause it didn't happen last year (pre-injury) and it certainly didn't happen when he won the Norris.
He's a huge loss. he was your 2nd best dman by far each of the last two years.
He had a bad first year in Ottawa, but the last two he's been good.
And even if he were to regress this year, that is still a loss on the Ottawa bluline the flat out never replaced.
Jim Nill is no dummy.
Na. It doesn't.It did and does happen a fair bit. Maybe you think that means that he never makes a good play. I mean that it happens to him more often than it happens to good dmen.
He's just fine defensively. Doesn't get burned a "fair" bit.Whatever you say man.
He's still a spectacular player, he's just not good defensively. If he was then he'd be a Lidstrom... and he may be one day, but he ain't no Lidstrom yet.