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TML? More like FML, amirite? Yet Another Off Season Thread

LeafOfFaith said:
He’s still got the reputation you and Zeke are pumping all day long here. But those that have seen 250 games of him or whatever, saw the really bad decline this year, postseason notwithstanding. The playoffs may have just refreshed interest in him if any was lost, just like it obviously did for you. We shouldn’t lose that opportunity by thinking that at 33, he’ll be healthier and better than ever. We can take that cheap gamble on Gio, who crushed it in his Leaf audition. We can use our Muzzin chips at another table.
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if you trade Muzz and Gio shows much age-related decline (objectively, more likely to see it from Gio than Muzz), then all of a sudden you're left with a left side of Rielly, old Gio, and baby Ras. who takes the toughs?
 
Wayward DP said:
if you trade Muzz and Gio shows much age-related decline (objectively, more likely to see it from Gio than Muzz), then all of a sudden you're left with a left side of Rielly, old Gio, and baby Ras. who takes the toughs?
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If you keep Muzz and he’s busted unplayable Muzz of ‘22, then what do you do with your left side?
 
This unplayable Muzz idea has gone too far. I need to step in. He was successfully their #1/2 against a dynasty organization. Are we really worried that he's going to be Boosh next year? Really?
 
Preston said:
This unplayable Muzz idea has gone too far. I need to step in. He was successfully their #1/2 against a dynasty organization. Are we really worried that he's going to be Boosh next year? Really?
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In 7 games. In the other 47 or whatever, he was bad. In the remaining 35 or so, he was injured.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
In 7 games. In the other 47 or whatever, he was bad. In the remaining 35 or so, he was injured.
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Was never unplayable and he was quite good post deadline. And then he flipped a switch when it mattered most. People who are truly declining don't suddenly do that. That was more likely a slump.
 
Preston said:
Was never unplayable and he was quite good post deadline. And then he flipped a switch when it mattered most. People who are truly declining don't suddenly do that. That was more likely a slump.
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Okay, I concede, he's the best ever and was just in a 47 game slump, and is not a material injury risk.

But when have we ever lost because of our D? Why is our D so bad without him, as amazing and ever-healthy as he is? And why do you think we can go into next year with even less firepower up front?
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Okay, I concede, he's the best ever and was just in a 47 game slump, and is not a material injury risk.

But when have we ever lost because of our D? Why is our D so bad without him, as amazing and ever-healthy as he is? And why do you think we can go into next year with even less firepower up front?
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I never said he's the best ever. They didn't lose because of their d because they had an elite shutdown pair against a team with all sorts of fire power. You want to see what shutdown pairs usually do vs Tampa? Take a look at Ekblad in the current series.
 
Preston said:
This unplayable Muzz idea has gone too far. I need to step in. He was successfully their #1/2 against a dynasty organization. Are we really worried that he's going to be Boosh next year? Really?
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It's a contract that needs to go. He's not worth it. He'll be 1 year older and he was very bad most of the year.
 
I think you'll be more than pleasantly surprised when Lilly and Sandin are mainstays in the lineup. Muzzin who? Let's not even talk about the upgrade from Babushkie to Sandin.

Anyway, it's a simple pro/con list.

Muzz COULD be good and healthy just like he was for 7 games, over the next two years and 200 games at ages 33/34. And let's just hope the forwards score this time in games 6 and 7, and forget about what great young assets we might get in the trade.

Or Muzz COULD completely fall off a cliff with poor play and injuries like he almost did this season, and we could not take that risk and use his money to get some really good forward instead, and who knows, pick up another couple of Lilly types in the trade.

Feels like we're all going in a circle with this topic. Just saying the same thing to each other over and over. He's really good, shut down, blah blah, and he's too risky to keep at 33/34 when we could get a good deal for him now and redeploy his money to an area of need that has been screaming in our faces for years, blah blah. What else needs to be said.
 
The nerd will decide. My money is on him refusing to turn down the prospects of rolling out Muzzin-Brodie over an entire season.

You, and most people I read out there, think he's horrible, broken and will be unplayable next year. Yet you think that they'd get a lot in return for him. Hard to have it both ways really. I'm buying the dip on him and believe his actual value is way higher than his perceived value. For that reason, I lean towards holding and reevaluate next offseason when he's got just 1 year left, a modified NTC and is easier to digest for other teams.

If they trade him and get a lot in return then I can see and understand why they'd do that too. But it's not because they think their d will be improved or that he's horrible and unplayable; you don't suddenly think that after giving him 1/2 minutes against Tampa for a series.
 
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