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LeafOfFaith said:
You have to admit how they've handled him this year is different than other years.
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They've given him a role with Brodie because Mo was just not cutting it. But after last game, they were afraid to put him on the ice much. He struggled. And they scaled back his ice time.

I just think they've forced him into a spot that they don't really believe he is good enough to play. As soon as they get a top 4 RD, he's the guy that sits IMO. Or at least is the 6/7.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I still refuse to believe they don't value Lilly.

He's not going anywhere. If anything, I'd expect to see a contract extension announced rather than a trade.
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MindzEye said:
I've seen almost nothing to indicate that they think highly of him. They've sat him in the playoffs a few years running now for every plug #7 they could overpay for. Sheldon loses his fucking mind in the media every time Lilly makes a mistake. Sheldon tries just about every iteration of the blueline he can before considering giving Lilly a bigger role and then whenever Lilly does excel in a bigger role (like when Rielly was out) it's immediately back to the way things were at the first opportunity.

It really, really looks like an organization that doesn't grasp what's going on right in front of them and isn't valuing it. Which tracks in how we've developed prospects for years now.
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Lilly’s upcoming contract talks should be interesting
 
All we have to do is find a way to hold out past Friday with no youth lost.

All these fucks in management might be punted at the end of the season.
 
And yeah he'd be extended by now if they really believed in him. They see him as a bottom pair guy IMO. And not the type of bottom pair guy that Keefe or Tre really like all that much either.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
You have to admit how they've handled him this year is different than other years.
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Have they actually though? They played Klingberg over him to start the season. When Klingberg failed, the answer was to throw all of the usage at Rielly-Brodie and overplay the shit out of them. McCabe is playing more minutes for contender Toronto than he did for Chicago and Buffalo's tanks. Lilly is 6th in defensive zone usage for reasons. We traded for fucking Lyubushkin to be the top 4 Rielly whisperer, again for fucking reasons.

All of this points to us not actually valuing Lilly imo unless if you think they value him as a #4-5 that needs sheltering and that's what you call valuing him. They definitely don't see to consider the #2-3 type defender he plays like.
 
A good hint is talking to people or listening to what people think about Liljegren in real life. If the consensus is that he's a bottom paid 6/7 guy (which it 100000% is) then that's likely what this management group thinks. That's the test I used back in the dark era of Burke/Nonis/Fletcher. Seems to work quite well with Tre too.
 
MindzEye said:
Have they actually though? They played Klingberg over him to start the season. When Klingberg failed, the answer was to throw all of the usage at Rielly-Brodie and overplay the shit out of them. McCabe is playing more minutes for contender Toronto than he did for Chicago and Buffalo's tanks. Lilly is 6th in defensive zone usage for reasons. We traded for fucking Lyubushkin to be the top 4 Rielly whisperer, again for fucking reasons.

All of this points to us not actually valuing Lilly imo unless if you think they value him as a #4-5 that needs sheltering and that's what you call valuing him. They definitely don't see to consider the #2-3 type defender he plays like.
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Not at the beginning of the season, but once Klingberg was gone, they seemed to rely on him.

Then he got injured and was out, and when he came back, they seemed to rely on him more.

While Rielly was out, Lilly seemed to take his place.

It feels different to me.
 
Jonas from The Athletic makes the case to drop Lily from the top 6 and trading for Savard

>>Savard could conceivably play alongside TJ Brodie, removing Timothy Liljegren from a current position defending top lines that appears beyond his capabilities at this point (especially for playoff hockey).

The Brodie-Liljegren pairing was exposed by the Bruins. Expected goals were 22 percent for the Leafs when they were out there together at five-on-five. The Bruins scored twice in those 13 minutes, capped off by Pavel Zacha getting inside position on Liljegren to score the 4-1 dagger.

With Savard on board, Leafs coach Sheldon Keefe could put together three solid and suddenly pretty beefy pairs:

Morgan Rielly – Ilya Lyubushkin
TJ Brodie – David Savard
Simon Benoit – Jake McCabe

Savard, Lyubushkin, Benoit and McCabe all bring the kind of size and/or physicality that GM Brad Treliving seems to prefer on his blue lines.
 
Jonas is weird. Because he talks about stats, but then says stuff like “Robertson and Lilly aren’t good” and “savard and boosh are the same as tanev.”
 
Preston said:
Sakic is great because he doesn't act like the smartest person in the room. He knows he is surrounded by people smarter than him and leans on them heavily. There is HEAVY nerd influence in all of their moves. HEAVY. That's the kind of GM you want.
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Wasn't that Dubas? Or was it the glasses that just made him look nerdy?
 
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