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World Cup

I lived in Finland for a bit. Both Sweden and Russia are seen as bitter rivals, not part of some alternative collective vis a vis North America.
Yeah, I tried using the Canada versus USA rivalry but it seems people here don't even get that worked up about it.

The USA versus canada is small stuff compared to France versus Germany, Finland versus Sweden, Poland versus Germany, Greeks versus Italians.

North Americans will never understand. Whatever. More hockey. Screw Europe. Whatever.
 
The thing is most European countries don't really like each other all that much (look up wars and other history) so lumping a bunch of them together is sort of lazy and xenophobic on our part.

North America is very different.
Absolutely. And in that vein, Latvia's a good example to look at. For 53 out of the past 100 years, Latvia has been:

  • Invaded by and forcibly absorbed into the Soviet Union.
  • Conquered by Nazi Germany.
  • Re-conquered by the Soviet Union, merged back into the USSR

And it's only been 25 years so far that they've been an independent country again. Less time than, I think, almost every regular poster on this board has been alive.

So yeah, I'm sure Latvians will eventually be all for losing their own national team in top-level competitions, and instead throwing their rabid fandom behind a team of randomly amalgamated European states.
 
Didn't you mention earlier that you hadn't watched much of the tournament?

I've seen a few of the highlights and I watched the last minute of one of the games while waiting for the Jays-Mariners game to start. I also saw about the last minute of the overtime frame between Sweden and North America earlier today.

I can't figure out how someone who's watched thinks an all-star tournament would be as compelling. I think it's been quite successful from an entertainment and good hockey standpoint.

This is an all-star tournament format though. It's distinctly not the standard national team format that international hockey uses for IIHF-sanctioned tournaments at the senior or junior level.
 
No one has even argued that it's not entertaining...It's been quite entertaining. Just that it doesn't mean as much. I usually cheer for Canada but here i just wish Rielly and Matthews do as well as possible and everything else is secondary. Literally first time i don't care who wins..i wonder why that is.

This is pretty much how I feel summarized very succinctly. By all accounts, most of the games have been pretty free-flowing and exciting. That's great from a fan perspective and an entertainment standpoint.

The whole event just feels very forced (particularly from Rogers), artificial, put on and not as legitimate or important as the usual best-on-best international tournaments, and that's where a lot of my dissatisfaction towards it stems from. Like I said earlier, I don't at all begrudge anyone from enjoying this tournament and having a thrill from watching the North American kids display elite, all-world level skill. They're fun to watch.

In the end, it's just not a valid measure of hockey supremacy and it does very little to grow the game internationally, while also excluding several traditional hockey nations, and (more importantly) several emerging ones that could really benefit from the exposure. Canada's so much better than every other team in this event that it's silly.
 
And how stupid are the Oilers? Ralph Krueger really displaying his coaching acumen with the European team by all reports in this tournament so far.

They got rid of by far the best coach they've had since the 2005 lock-out.
 
Whats sad is shitting on people who are enjoying it for enjoying it. Everyone doesn't have to be as miserable as you.

I can only speak for myself, as I definitely don't want to be the Buzz Killington jerk that ruins this event for anyone. I'm just trying to explain my position and my perspective, and why I feel the way I do, as best as I can so that others can understand how I arrived at that conclusion.

I attended a few games at the 2004 World Cup of Hockey for my birthday and had a great time (although that was a traditional Canada Cup format). The Canada-Czech Republic semi-final game where Lecavalier scored in overtime remains one of the best in-person sports experiences that I've ever had.

Much of my objection to the current tournament stems from my fears that this is being viewed as a replacement tournament for the Olympics, because Bettman and the owners will play hardball with the IOC and remove NHL participation from the Winter Games over petty financial considerations.
 
I've seen a few of the highlights and I watched the last minute of one of the games while waiting for the Jays-Mariners game to start. I also saw about the last minute of the overtime frame between Sweden and North America earlier today.

This is an all-star tournament format though. It's distinctly not the standard national team format that international hockey uses for IIHF-sanctioned tournaments at the senior or junior level.

The games have been exciting, competitive and compelling though. It's been a pretty successful tournament so far IMO and I didn't have much excitement at all going in.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just selfish for wanting to see good hockey. How dare I?
 
This is pretty much how I feel summarized very succinctly. By all accounts, most of the games have been pretty free-flowing and exciting. That's great from a fan perspective and an entertainment standpoint.

The whole event just feels very forced (particularly from Rogers), artificial, put on and not as legitimate or important as the usual best-on-best international tournaments, and that's where a lot of my dissatisfaction towards it stems from. Like I said earlier, I don't at all begrudge anyone from enjoying this tournament and having a thrill from watching the North American kids display elite, all-world level skill. They're fun to watch.

In the end, it's just not a valid measure of hockey supremacy and it does very little to grow the game internationally, while also excluding several traditional hockey nations, and (more importantly) several emerging ones that could really benefit from the exposure. Canada's so much better than every other team in this event that it's silly.

If NA move on tomorrow after Finland win im definitely putting some money on them(really think their style can beat Canada)...hopefully they don't disappoint. :)
 
No buzzkill here. I encourage folks to find entertainment where they can.
 
That was the first time I watched team Canada live too. The game was against Slovakia and Canada won 5-0 I believe. I remember it cost the student me over a 100 bucks for standing room only tickets. Good times.

I can only speak for myself, as I definitely don't want to be the Buzz Killington jerk that ruins this event for anyone. I'm just trying to explain my position and my perspective, and why I feel the way I do, as best as I can so that others can understand how I arrived at that conclusion.

I attended a few games at the 2004 World Cup of Hockey for my birthday and had a great time (although that was a traditional Canada Cup format). The Canada-Czech Republic semi-final game where Lecavalier scored in overtime remains one of the best in-person sports experiences that I've ever had.

Much of my objection to the current tournament stems from my fears that this is being viewed as a replacement tournament for the Olympics, because Bettman and the owners will play hardball with the IOC and remove NHL participation from the Winter Games over petty financial considerations.
 
The games have been exciting, competitive and compelling though. It's been a pretty successful tournament so far IMO and I didn't have much excitement at all going in.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just selfish for wanting to see good hockey. How dare I?

I'm not taking the same position as Habitants87 in terms of attacking people for enjoying the hockey. That striked me as being really petty and dickish. So don't associate my position with that.

I'm just not really excited about the tournament, and I tend to be someone who gets very, very emotionally invested in international events (whether in soccer, hockey, baseball, basketball, rugby, or the sports played in the Olympics).

That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. The quality of hockey has looked really good to me when I've watched it. But then again, so was the hockey at the Challenge Cup in 1979 and Rendez-Vous 87. I just don't view it as a true measure of international hockey supremacy.

From an entertainment perspective, I've never objected to this tournament one bit.
 
. Canada's so much better than every other team in this event that it's silly.

That was my point earlier. I know Canada is the best. Even if they lost, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

It was more dramatic all those years ago when we were insecure and worried that we had lost our way with our national game.
 
mackinnon may never make a team canada.

MacKinnon has already been on Team Canada three times in junior hockey and was one of the best players on the 2015 World Championship team captained by Crosby that went a perfect 10-0 in the Czech Republic. He had 4 goals and 9 points in 10 games.

team-canada-0517


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http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=99204
 
sorry jays, nobody will believe you unless you post 3 more pictures
 
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