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OT: The Toronto Blue Jays

Blair:

The Jays still have pieces that are reportedly on the block, in particular, relievers Daniel Hudson and Ken Giles. But this was not a great weekend for scouts assigned to follow Giles, the Blue Jays closer. He still hasn’t worked back-to-back games since working in three consecutive games from July 2-4. The Blue Jays say Giles suffered nerve inflammation in his right elbow from a massage he received during the All-Star break and he was unavailable Sunday despite throwing just 10 pitches in Saturday’s come-from-behind win over the Rays. Giles’ four-seam fastball sat 94-95 m.p.h. with his final pitch at 96, not where he needs to be for maximum effectiveness, which is 98 and up.

One scout who has been following Giles responded with the phrase “not overwhelmed” when he was asked whether he’d seen enough from the closer, who has been eyed by teams looking at high-leverage bullpen depth. The deadline is 4 p.m. ET Wednesday, so there might not be much more time to change minds
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/m...w-blue-jays/sn-amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 
Kay seems to fit in with our fake-rebuild mid 20s group of marginal talents.

SWR seems to fit in with our real-rebuild group of 17-22yr old higher end talents that might turn us into a contender in 3-5yrs.

It just bothers me that we traded most of our assets to add to the older fake-rebuild group, when we could have targeted exclusively the real-rebuild type prospects and just spent money on vets in the interim.
 
This management team are horrible at trades. They have botched all of them. And how hard was this one to actually make a bad trade?
 
Blue Jays Career (Qualified)

ERA

1.Clemens 2.33
2.Halladay 3.39
3.Key 3.39
4.Stieb 3.42
5.Alexander 3.61
6.Stroman 3.71

ERA-

1.Clemens 50
2.Halladay 73
3.Stieb 82
4.Key 82
5.Alexander 86
6.Stroman 87

FIP

1.Clemens 2.44
2.Halladay 3.43
3.Stroman 3.61
4.Key 3.67
5.Morrow 3.71

FIP-

1.Clemens 54
2.Halladay 76
3.Stroman 84
4.Burnett 86
5.Guzman 88



MLB Last 6yrs (i.e. since Stro's rookie year)

87era- (T-#32 of 192 qualified SP)
84fip- (T-#19 of 192 qualified SP)
84xfip- (T-#20 of 192 qualified SP)

This season

64era- (T-#12 of 153 SP IP leaders)
77fip- (T-#24 of 153 SP IP leaders)
88xfip- (T-#39 of 153 SP IP leaders)
 
LeafGm said:
I'm kind of hoping the Mets do what San Jose did to Ottawa with Mike Hoffman, and turn around and trade Stroman back to the AL for a far better return than the Jays got.
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Yeah I'm down for anything that highlights their incompetence for the world to see.
 
Vlad will be here for 6 or 7 years. He likely bolts or becomes un-affordable once he becomes a Free Agent.

So here is a legit question. Will the Jays compete while Vlad is a Toronto Blue Jay?
 
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CaptainBolduke said:
Vlad will be here for 6 or 7 years. He likely bolts or becomes un-affordable once he becomes a Free Agent.

So here is a legit question. Will the Jays compete while Vlad is a Toronto Blue Jay?
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Depends on how long they let these idiots run the show.

They'll never contend with Shatkins in charge.
 
If Vlad is signed early to a monster deal he can stay longer. But yes, the management group is horrible. They've done nothing in 4 years.
 
I don't get why they didn't wait til the deadline to make this deal. Why such a rush? An underwhelming deal to be sure.
 
If the plan with SWR is to get him now then build him to top 100 or top 50 then deal him for big league talent tjen awesome. That said it isnt.

Atkins clearly has a fascination with former high picks in AAA that are non prospects that he thinks the smartest guys on the room can fix. Let me know when this works. Is Kay better than SRF? How much are either better than a Pannone? How many 0 WAR floor 1.5 WAR ceiling guys do you need. Do these giys actually see a Mckinney or Teoscar starting on a playoff yeam? If yes then **** off if no why erent they concerned about OF depth?
 
NYPost_Mets

Source says Stroman's clubhouse "commotion" yesterday with the Blue Jays was initial disappointment that he hadn't been traded to a contender; He thought he might be headed to the Red Sox, Yankees or Astros.
 
drewser said:
NYPost_Mets

Source says Stroman's clubhouse "commotion" yesterday with the Blue Jays was initial disappointment that he hadn't been traded to a contender; He thought he might be headed to the Red Sox, Yankees or Astros.
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That’s pretty funny actually. Stay, commotion. Leave, commotion.

I’m honestly not going to miss him that much. Just wish our return was better.
 
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