Habs Acquire Joel Edmundson

[GEEMAN]

If anything Mete and Fleury were rushed to take on more due to lack of depth

I expect Nero to make 2-3 significant moves this summer

Needs to clear out some bodies that don't fit

 

[Sal_Butera]

This Alzner contract is the killer. My goodness is it ever bad. Molson must be pissed they wasted almost $25M on nothing. NTC to boot.

CURRENT CONTRACT
STANDARD CONTRACT
COMPARE THIS CONTRACT

LENGTH: 5 YEARS
EXPIRY STATUS: UFA
SIGNING TEAM: Montreal Canadiens
VALUE: $23,125,000
C.H.%

: 6.17
SIGNING DATE: July 1, 2017

SEASON	CLAUSE	CAP HIT	AAV	P. BONUSES	S. BONUSES	BASE SALARY	TOTAL SALARY	MINORS SALARY
2017-18	M-NTC	$4,625,000	$4,625,000	$0	$2,000,000	$4,000,000	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
2018-19	M-NTC	$4,625,000	$4,625,000	$0	$0	$6,000,000	$6,000,000	$6,000,000
2019-20	M-NTC	$4,625,000	$4,625,000	$0	$0	$4,625,000	$4,625,000	$4,625,000
2020-21	M-NTC	$4,625,000	$4,625,000	$0	$1,500,000	$1,500,000	$3,000,000	$3,000,000
2021-22	M-NTC	$4,625,000	$4,625,000	$0	$0	$3,500,000	$3,500,000	$3,500,000
TOTAL		$23,125,000	$23,125,000	$0	$3,500,000	$19,625,000	$23,125,000	$23,125,000

Ferraro and Aaron Ward have mentioned based on conversations with players - that players may go to the union and ask for a one time buyout option to be instituted into present CBA to allow team to have more flexibility prior to start of next season.

That would be so amazing!
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[Sal_Butera]

Sure but Edmundson? His advanced stats are brutal. Just brutal.

Should listen to that Ray Ferraro comment on his discussion with a GM and how management analyzed the STL Cup winning D core - posted it above

 

[GEEMAN]

Ferraro and Aaron Ward have mentioned based on conversations with players - that players may go to the union and ask for a one time buyout option to be instituted into present CBA to allow team to have more flexibility prior to start of next season.

That would be so amazing!
.

What needs to happen is team options on long term contacts so they can rid themselves on Alzners

Teams need some mechanism in place for flexibility

 

[Sal_Butera]

Advanced stats aren't that important IMO

Plenty of players with great stats but woudnt want them on a beer league team

The main issue is fit , contract , and what does he bring to table to help the team

Wouldn’t go that far....but all data is about context not stand-alone especially for a dynamic sport like hockey with too many variables

 

[GEEMAN]

Wouldn’t go that far....but all data is about context not stand-alone especially for a dynamic sport like hockey with too many variables

Bingo, too many moving parts

Leon is terrible 5/5 stats wise …..who wouldn't take him

Spreadsheets don't win games , teams put way too much emphasis on numbers

Should be based on team stats and major fluctuations in play

Easier to identify that PDO is unsustainable , or a team improves 20 points but their powerplay was 60% or had a team of career years

To say that Joel was good in one area and shit in 2 others and transferring to Montreal and making a projection is just a gamble

 

[Habsy]

There is some substance that comes out of this interview. Nothing earth-shattering but things that are reassuring, if true.

As expected -- Suzuki, KK and Price being untouchables. Romanov is also an untouchable. The untouchable label on Price was even extended to the expansion draft -- so there goes the idea about how Price could be moved to Seattle.

Also, when asked what was missing on the Habs, Bergevin said:

«J’aimerais amener un gars avec un gros gabarit, capable de produire offensivement. Ce serait l’idéal. Encore là, ce joueur est-il disponible? Les équipes ne s’en débarrassent pas.» «Je regarde ça au quotidien.»

TRANSLATION: "I'd like to add a big body who can generate offense. That would be ideal. Again, is that player available? Teams don't tend to get rid of this type of player. I'm looking at it daily." I don’t ever recall MB ever being that specific about a need/want - “big body who can generate offense”

Who knows what he has going now, maybe he was just lowering expectations so his next move could surprise. Or maybe not...

He thinking Laine? I hope not. I don't think that kid will ever reach his potential consistently, we'd only see flashes.

 

[Habsy]

Ferraro and Aaron Ward have mentioned based on conversations with players - that players may go to the union and ask for a one time buyout option to be instituted into present CBA to allow team to have more flexibility prior to start of next season.

That would be so amazing!
.

Yeah but it would help other teams far more than the Habs.

 

[Habsy]

Bingo, too many moving parts

Leon is terrible 5/5 stats wise …..who wouldn't take him

Spreadsheets don't win games , teams put way too much emphasis on numbers

Should be based on team stats and major fluctuations in play

Easier to identify that PDO is unsustainable , or a team improves 20 points but their powerplay was 60% or had a team of career years

To say that Joel was good in one area and shit in 2 others and transferring to Montreal and making a projection is just a gamble

Now you're comparing Edmundson to Draisaitl? Batshit.

Considering the D partners Edmundson (hereafter known as JE) has had in St. Louis and Carolina I think the numbers speak volumes. He was subpar with very good partners. Better partners than he will have with the Habs.

 

[Sal_Butera]

Yeah but it would help other teams far more than the Habs.

Yup hence why players would want it. #needtocreatebiddingwar

 

[Sal_Butera]

Now you're comparing Edmundson to Draisaitl? Batshit.

Considering the D partners Edmundson (hereafter known as JE) has had in St. Louis and Carolina I think the numbers speak volumes. He was subpar with very good partners. Better partners than he will have with the Habs.

Edmundson is very good on the PK - an aspect of the game the Habs have been terrible at for a couple of years.

 

[Habsy]

Bergevin wants his D to wear down opposing teams. It's pretty obvious.

 

[Sal_Butera]

Bergevin wants his D to wear down opposing teams. It's pretty obvious.

If there is a condensed schedule next season, probability would state bigger players would be able to absorb the wear & tear (of 4-games in 3-nights) of that grueling schedule moreso than smaller players. Playing G and D are difficult enough, now add the rigor of the schedule...

 

[Habsy]

If there is a condensed schedule next season, probability would state bigger players would be able to absorb the wear & tear (of 4-games in 3-nights) of that grueling schedule moreso than smaller players. Playing G and D are difficult enough, now add the rigor of the schedule...

Also another reason to load up on D to rotate players.

 

[GEEMAN]

Now you're comparing Edmundson to Draisaitl? Batshit.

Considering the D partners Edmundson (hereafter known as JE) has had in St. Louis and Carolina I think the numbers speak volumes. He was subpar with very good partners. Better partners than he will have with the Habs.

Not comparing at all

Reference is simply that some players have bad numbers and are highly sought after

Others are analytic darlings like Pouliot and get bounced from team to team

Did Joel play big minutes with Faulk , Hamilton , Pietro or Parrayko ?

 

[Habsy]

Peanut McGuire likes the move

McGuire : Edmundson trade a good deal for Bergevin

Pierre McGuire joined Melnick & Gallo to talk about the Edmundson trade and to preview Game 5 of the Western Conference Final.

www.tsn.ca

I'm more convinced it is the wrong move now.

 

[Habsy]

Not comparing at all

Reference is simply that some players have bad numbers and are highly sought after

Others are analytic darlings like Pouliot and get bounced from team to team

Did Joel play big minutes with Faulk , Hamilton , Pietro or Parrayko ?

and Pesce. yes. He had great partners and subpar numbers. Doesn't bode well.

 

[GEEMAN]

and Pesce. yes. He had great partners and subpar numbers. Doesn't bode well.

If he plays with Petry as expected that's a good partner

 

[jeffbear]

Petry is RHD, Edmundson LHD. I don't see it.

FWIW, Edmundson is a natural LD, but he spent a huge chunk of last season playing the right side for Carolina. He's underwhelming on his weak side, but he can hold down the fort if needed. I mean, he's not overwhelming on his strong side, but ... you get the point. He's competent.

 

[jeffbear]

and Pesce. yes. He had great partners and subpar numbers. Doesn't bode well.

To be fair to Edmundson he also spent a lot of time on his off side trying to prop up Gardiner for Carolina. Gardiner was ... umm ... awful. When he played on the right it was generally with Pesce (very good) or Fleury (playing HIS off side, not especially well) or Van Reimsdyk (equally not great)