OT: The Toronto Blue Jays
- Thread starter PlayerToBeNamedLater
- Start date
manny
Well-known member
That’s not a stretch. He was BA’s #1 overall prospect in July. Not all #1s make it, but that’s rarefied air. Still, it will be worth it if Varsho helps bring the Jays a championship.
Odd thing though is that the Jays main need right now is probably a RH OF with some versatility. One of the guys that would fill that hole better than anyone is Lourdes Gurriel.
I don’t see it
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
Yeah, he might not be more than a 10-15 HR guy but elite pop time and elite contact means yearly all star at the C position.
Posey ish
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
Nobody will care when Varsho hits 60 HRs this year. Tickles the sweet spot, and other spots too.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
you never know with prospects, but Moreno does look like he'll be a higher-endish starting C for a long time.
Is our venue more hitting friendly for Varsho
LeafOfFaith
Well-known member
70 HRs minimum.
axlsalinger
Well-known member
yes.
2022 Statcast home run park factor for lefthanded hitters in Rogers Centre was 94 (100 is average).
The # for Chase Field in AZ last year was 65 (though it's not usually that low).
Last year he had 11 homers, 93 wRC+ at home, 16 homers, 119 wRC+ on the road.
Though they're making all kinds of modifications to RC right now, so it's hard to say how much it'll change.
Last edited:
manny
Well-known member
Mauer is Moreno’s upside.
Complete with limited power and questions about health.
Wayward DP
Well-known member
am I misremembering or did he win an MVP one year? or maybe that was Morneau. either way, only injuries slowed down Mauer
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Pretty sure mauer won a mvp
leafman101
Well-known member
Age 20
Moreno - A - 134 wrc+, .823 ops
Mauer - A - ---, .807
Varsho - A- - 150 , .902
Posey ---
Age 21
Mauer - MLB - 139. .939
Moreno - AA - 192 wrc+, 1.092 ops
Posey - rk - --- 1.088
Varsho - A - 121 , .813
Age 22
Moreno MLB - 113, .733
Mauer MLB - 108, .783
Posey - AAA- -- .947
Varsho - AA - 159 , .899
Moreno is really good. Baseball prospects are also baseball prospects though.
Moreno - A - 134 wrc+, .823 ops
Mauer - A - ---, .807
Varsho - A- - 150 , .902
Posey ---
Age 21
Mauer - MLB - 139. .939
Moreno - AA - 192 wrc+, 1.092 ops
Posey - rk - --- 1.088
Varsho - A - 121 , .813
Age 22
Moreno MLB - 113, .733
Mauer MLB - 108, .783
Posey - AAA- -- .947
Varsho - AA - 159 , .899
Moreno is really good. Baseball prospects are also baseball prospects though.
MyNameIsJonas
Well-known member
If there was one available i'd like to know about it, and i suspect it costs Moreno + Tiedemann.
I dont think a mistake like the Donaldson trade since the Betts trade (woof)
you want more than a 2 year player before body is broken in return
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
I mean, we didn't give up one Moreno or Tiedemann for Donaldson himself, never mind two of them.
The general rule is that prospect capital is overvalued in these trades. Just looking at a few recently
- Lindor & Carrasco got Giminenz in return and he's great, but he peaked at the 92nd best prospect on Fangraphs list. The other 2 kids they received were well outside of the Mets top 10 at the time of the trade.
- The Aronado trade was grim AF for Colorado....not even worth breaking out the names.
- The Betts trade, lol
- Even a deal where real high end prospect capital went the one way, it was Trea Turner & Max fucking Scherzer for two top 20 prospects (#15 & 17 according to Fangraphs) and then 2 more outside the Dodger's top 10.
Moreno was a #1 and Tiedemann is probably going to go screaming into the top 10-15 by the end of this year.
If you want a list of elite players that have been traded over the last few years, it's easy enough to find. But they're often risky, with only a single year of control left.