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2025-2026 Off Season Thread - The Rehappening

After tax Willy makes $5,387,375. Reinhart makes $5,475,525.

Can’t tell me that Reinhart contact wasn’t based on Willys take home pay coming off a year they both scored 90+.
 
Volcanologist said:
ok then why isn't Bettman doing anything about it
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Let's put it this way. If the teams which were able to take advantage of it were in Canada, he'd have done something to correct it a long, long time ago. But since the teams benefitting are the exact ones that Bettman wants to succeed, he turns a blind eye. And, to be fair, if those tax haven teams didn't have that advantage, they would win less, attract fewer elite players, and generate lower revenues. That, in turn, would make the value of expansion franchises less and make expansion franchises less of a sure thing to succeed. It's not for no good reason that the two US franchises that failed during Bettman's tenure were Atlanta and Phoenix. None of the expansion/relocated teams in tax free states are failing.

As for Canadian teams being disadvantaged? Bettman doesn't give a shit and why should he? Will the fans knowing this equate to even one fewer ticket sold for a Canadian team next season? Of course not, and Bettman knows it. He takes the revenue generation from Canadian teams for granted because he knows he'll get away with it. Canadian fans may hate him, but they're never going to stop feeding the beast. The purpose Canadian teams serve is to be pay pigs for the league.
 
Wayward DP said:
this seems like a silly debate. two things can be true at once:
- Leafs are and have been managed by incompetent ninnies for years; and
- operating in a no state tax jurisdiction gives you an advantage over places that do have state/provincial taxes...

now, I still think the extent of the advantage is being overstated, since athletes are taxed based on each individual game they play (i.e. when they play in Canada, they have to follow Canadian tax rules).

and toronto has other advantages over florida, like endorsement opportunities.

but yah, no state tax is an advantage.
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True. I suspect that if the Leafs under Shanahan were based in Tallahassee instead of Toronto they'd still do the same dumb shit they always do and they'd still lose in the first or second round. They'd just have one fewer excuse for being shit at hockey management.
 
Volcanologist said:
...yes?
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Which do you think is the bigger advantage? Signing him to a bonus laden contract, or one where 10 million in Florida provides him the same take home pay as 11 million in ~25 other NHL cities would?

Keep in mind that the only major difference between getting your money by signing bonus and salary, in Florida, is that it makes his money work stoppage proof.

Volcanologist said:
sounds oddly familiar
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No it doesn't. We've never made a Luongo for Bertuzzi trade mate. Nothing remotely that bad.

Serious question...how much differently would we view Leaf management if we had signed

- Willy's first extension at that number it was at, but without the fuckery?
- Tavares for 10 instead of 11
- Matthews first extension for 10.5, and subsequent for 12
- Marner's extension for 9.8
- Rielly's for 6.8
- Tanev for 4.05

etc, etc.

A lot of the tap dancing and stupidity over the years has been while trying to manage their cap situation (Hyman being the big cap casualty). Sure, they've done some dumb shit independent of that, but so has Florida (Bobrovsky's contract is an abomination, even with the advantage of getting is down a million or so).

None of this shit happens in a vacuum. Having a 10% financial advantage makes other knock on decisions significantly easier to make as well.
 
Wayward DP said:
presto used to be a top-notch troll. he's past his prime now, but old habits die hard
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No trolling here. Certain individuals get touchy when this advantage is brought up because they make up in their head that the other side of the argument is that the Leafs would be juggernauts if they had this advantage. Which it isn't. No one said that. It's a made up argument.
 
MindzEye said:
Which do you think is the bigger advantage? Signing him to a bonus laden contract, or one where 10 million in Florida provides him the same take home pay as 11 million in ~25 other NHL cities would?

Keep in mind that the only major difference between getting your money by signing bonus and salary, in Florida, is that it makes his money work stoppage proof.



No it doesn't. We've never made a Luongo for Bertuzzi trade mate. Nothing remotely that bad.

Serious question...how much differently would we view Leaf management if we had signed

- Willy's first extension at that number it was at, but without the fuckery?
- Tavares for 10 instead of 11
- Matthews first extension for 10.5, and subsequent for 12
- Marner's extension for 9.8
- Rielly's for 6.8
- Tanev for 4.05

etc, etc.

A lot of the tap dancing and stupidity over the years has been while trying to manage their cap situation (Hyman being the big cap casualty). Sure, they've done some dumb shit independent of that, but so has Florida (Bobrovsky's contract is an abomination, even with the advantage of getting is down a million or so).

None of this shit happens in a vacuum. Having a 10% financial advantage makes other knock on decisions significantly easier to make as well.
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If by different you mean coming from team success, I'm confident nothing would be different, because paying 10% less for major players with no character wouldn't change the fact that they are non-winners.

their depth could have been a bit better, but only if it were spent well by this management. and that's impossible to say, the record is so mixed on that front, to put it charitably.
 
Preston said:
No trolling here. Certain individuals get touchy when this advantage is brought up because they make up in their head that the other side of the argument is that the Leafs would be juggernauts if they had this advantage. Which it isn't. No one said that. It's a made up argument.
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you just get mad when somebody tells you you're wrong and you take it really personally. then we get the passive aggressive 3rd grade math and certain individual remarks and the sulking, and the goalpost shifting, etc

it's ok to disagree bud
 
leafman101 said:
It’s a calculator from an athletes tax firm

Home - Cardinal Point

Athlete Advisors
cardinalpointathleteadvisors.com cardinalpointathleteadvisors.com
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from their website:

"These calculators should not be used as a substitute for professional investment advice. They are provided for convenience purposes only. We do not guarantee their proper operation of these tools/calculators, nor the accuracy of any information resulting from their use."
 
Volcanologist said:
you just get mad when somebody tells you you're wrong and you take it really personally. then we get the passive aggressive 3rd grade math and certain individual remarks and the sulking, and the goalpost shifting, etc

it's ok to disagree bud
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We don't disagree though. It's all a fake made up argument where you're making up what the other side is saying. We all agree with each other.
 
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