leafman101
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I don’t know how important good veteran leadership is. But I know how important not having bad veterans leadership is. Like “who cares we’re in first” Thornton.
2025-2026 Off Season Thread - The Rehappening
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LeafGm
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Lamoriello, Dubas and Treliving really couldn’t have brought in worse veteran leaders for this team if they deliberately tried.
CH1
The Artist Formerly Known as chiggins.
Yeah. Once a few guys start mouthing their disdain about answering “too many questions from Sportsnet“ that vibe can quickly take over the locker room…. what they needed is an older version of Nylander (pref with a ring on his finger) who simply said “just fucking shoot the puck… and stick your phone up your ass”
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
Its almost like its kind of a made up fairy dust like quality that no one really knows what it actually is.
Or something.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Nylander learned from his dad how to act like a pro. I honestly dont know what Reaves' problem is since his dad was (and still is) revered in Winnipeg and never acted like a jackass. In fact, he was, until recently, the Deputy Leader of the Manitoba Liberal Party. After his playing career he moved back to Winnipeg and has been there ever since.
But his idiot son has all the loyalty of a reptile. He's had the reputation of being an asshole everywhere he's played.
But his idiot son has all the loyalty of a reptile. He's had the reputation of being an asshole everywhere he's played.
It’s crazy with all the picks and money spent, they couldn’t find anyone that could fit into top 6 with good veteran qualities to support 34 and 88. ROR might have been the closest if he wasnt broken down already.
But in reality, if spending all that money, JT should have been that guy and all those picks and money should have been spent on depth scoring and top 4 dmen.
But in reality, if spending all that money, JT should have been that guy and all those picks and money should have been spent on depth scoring and top 4 dmen.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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What could JT teach them other than how to be good at losing and comfortable with it? When you bring in veteran leadership, they cant just be random veterans. They have to be veterans with a proven track record of WINNING.
What had Marleau, Thornton, Spezza, or Tavares ever won? Fuck all. So how were they supposed to teach the others how to win when they didn't know how to do it themselves? At least ROR accomplished something. But he took one look at the shit show and tapped out. He knew it was bullshit.
mbow30
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I don’t think it’s fair to JT. He left $14m on the table and the west coast life to sign here. He was a ufa, which comes at a premium. But instead of being happy to have the luxury of a 1st line C on the second line and a guy who took some of the heat off 34 and 16, they treated his contract as a barometer to measure they’re own value.
Selfish shit. They’re not winners. AM has a chance to turn that around. Mitch will always be Mitch the little bitch.
Volcanologist
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Veteran leadership isn't a substitute or a transplant, it's supposed to be an augmentation to help your important players develop and grow into champions.
but what if those player refuse to do that, or can't do that?
then yeah, it's absolutely meaningless fairy dust.
but what if those player refuse to do that, or can't do that?
then yeah, it's absolutely meaningless fairy dust.
JackBurton
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They could have just added skill..
Feyd
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Management definitely failed in surrounding 16/34/88 with the right kind of veterans, in addition to all the playoff rentals that haven't lived up to expectations. JT obviously didn't teach Mitch anything about hometown passion, dude's heart was already in Vegas the last 2 playoff runs.
I really hope 34 can turn it around and just go absoulte beast mode like we've seen from Drai and McJ now that some of the poison has been removed from the room.
I really hope 34 can turn it around and just go absoulte beast mode like we've seen from Drai and McJ now that some of the poison has been removed from the room.
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou
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Don't be so sure that 34 hasn't also been a big part of the problem.
LeafOfFaith
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Marner couldn’t be taught anything. He already knew Tavares was going to stay with a discount to try to finish the job and he didn’t give a shit. Veteran players can’t make younger players different guys than their nature allows.
Feyd
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I was referring more chronologically closer to when JT first signed. But yah the water had already been poisoned in his rookie season by Babs with the psycho mindgames shit. His "nature" seems largely influenced by his dad who, from all evidence seems like a very spiteful person.
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JackBurton
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It was Shanahan me thinks.
JackBurton
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Not sure if anyone's seen this account, but this is a good tweet about Marleau's contract. They actually paid him that to be a mentor.
View: https://x.com/WatchMyReview/status/1944035931071148083
View: https://x.com/WatchMyReview/status/1944035931071148083
MindzEye
Wayward Ditch Pig
It's all just very post facto to me. Bennett was a cry baby who got run out of Calgary and within 2 years he's a full on leaderbean for a champion. Marchand was the dangerous weirdo who licked people and lost big games and now he's an uber veteran leader. Tampa was a loser clown show that couldn't win the big game until they weren't. Jack Eichel #1C of a cup team, lol, c'mon bro don't be ridiculous.
It's this thing that gets made up after a guy wins to explain why they won, and doesn't appear to be an actual player trait that anyone predicts is there until afterwards.
mbow30
Spudmeister Supreme
All those guys developed chips on their shoulders tho. Marner is a crybaby.