There is no way he comes out of this looking good. If being the bagman wasn’t part of the discussions for succeeding Botterill and they made him do it anyway and he didn’t quit, he’s less than honorable. The “I was just following orders” defense doesn’t cut it. If it was part of the discussions and he still willingly took it on, he had to know how it would be perceived and he deserves all the abuse hurled at him.
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There is no way he comes out of this looking good. If being the bagman wasn’t part of the discussions for succeeding Botterill and they made him do it anyway and he didn’t quit, he’s less than honorable. The “I was just following orders” defense doesn’t cut it. If it was part of the discussions and he still willingly took it on, he had to know how it would be perceived and he deserves all the abuse hurled at him.
CanadaCanes
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The Pegula's have spent so much cash in and around the HSBC arena the past few years that they have put themselves in the terrible financial position they are in. The hockey operations wing just happens to take the hit right now, but I'm not sure how any NHL team is going to try and get by on a shoestring budget with rumors that Kevyn Adams may not even get any assistant GM's to help shoulder the workload moving forward.
Strangely, as bad as the Sabres have been under the Pegula family, the Bills have somehow managed to get by ok.
Strangely, as bad as the Sabres have been under the Pegula family, the Bills have somehow managed to get by ok.
Exactly ... it's a no win situation. Unless of course you say "no" to the job offer in the first place.
Paulie Walnuts
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hopefully he got a good contract but knowing them it may only be for a few years.
It’s a rolling 30 day contract.
This is a potential bombshell. Daniel Carcillo and Garrett Taylor have filed a class action lawsuit against the CHL, OHL, WHL and QMJHL alleging that players aged 15 to 17 were, “routinely victims to hazing, bullying, physical and verbal harassment, physical assault, sexual harassment, and sexual assault.”
“According the lawsuit, players in the class were, among other things, forced to masturbate in front of teammates and coaches and forced to sexually assault teammates, to consume saliva, urine, semen and feces of other players and to sexually engage with animals. It is also alleged that players had heavy objects tied to their genitals, had their genitals dipped in irritants and toxic liquids and had objects such as hockey sticks, brooms and food forced into their anuses. It is also alleged that players were forced to consume large amounts of alcohol and illicit drugs.“
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“According the lawsuit, players in the class were, among other things, forced to masturbate in front of teammates and coaches and forced to sexually assault teammates, to consume saliva, urine, semen and feces of other players and to sexually engage with animals. It is also alleged that players had heavy objects tied to their genitals, had their genitals dipped in irritants and toxic liquids and had objects such as hockey sticks, brooms and food forced into their anuses. It is also alleged that players were forced to consume large amounts of alcohol and illicit drugs.“
More explosive and shocking allegations against junior hockey in newly filed lawsuit
“These are systemic issues that have been in place for quite a while. There has been a good deal of knowledge in the hockey world that abuses are taking place. And to this day, we have the leagues being very slow to respond to these types of abuse," says the lawyer representing the plaintiffs
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bagopux
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This is a potential bombshell. Daniel Carcillo and Garrett Taylor have filed a class action lawsuit against the CHL, OHL, WHL and QMJHL alleging that players aged 15 to 17 were, “routinely victims to hazing, bullying, physical and verbal harassment, physical assault, sexual harassment, and sexual assault.”
“According the lawsuit, players in the class were, among other things, forced to masturbate in front of teammates and coaches and forced to sexually assault teammates, to consume saliva, urine, semen and feces of other players and to sexually engage with animals. It is also alleged that players had heavy objects tied to their genitals, had their genitals dipped in irritants and toxic liquids and had objects such as hockey sticks, brooms and food forced into their anuses. It is also alleged that players were forced to consume large amounts of alcohol and illicit drugs.“
More explosive and shocking allegations against junior hockey in newly filed lawsuit
“These are systemic issues that have been in place for quite a while. There has been a good deal of knowledge in the hockey world that abuses are taking place. And to this day, we have the leagues being very slow to respond to these types of abuse," says the lawyer representing the plaintiffs
Read some of the allegations. Couldn’t read them all. Can’t find the words to express how horrifying it must’ve been. If true, the fact that the adults in the room did nothing is simply incomprehensible.
StormChaserBH
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I get why they're going after the leagues, but I'd like to think that, if true and if adults/coaches present, some of that goes way beyond civil liability, into the criminal realm with respect to those adults. Disgusting.
cmaleski2
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Its about time. Hazing still happens of course in several circles and some of the hazing is downright dangerous and at some levels illegal. The idea that any level of hazing is necessary for a group to bond rolls on because those that are doing the hazing had it done to them and feel they 'paid their dues and therefore its time for them to be on the other side of the hazing'.
At some point an effort needs to be made to break the cycle. Many of these kids see it all as mostly harmless bonding, but the reality is that hazing can inflict longer term emotional damage and short and long term physical damage. People also die, a college fraternity tradition. If the hazing levels being reported here in this lawsuit are true, the CHL needs to get serious about getting control of hazing. The kids and the adults that manage them through their times in the CHL need to WTFU and break the cycle and not allow this idiotic nonsense to continue. I don't know the laws in Canada, but if the leagues won't do something and Canada doesn't have anti-hazing laws with real teeth, now is the time to consider them.
At some point an effort needs to be made to break the cycle. Many of these kids see it all as mostly harmless bonding, but the reality is that hazing can inflict longer term emotional damage and short and long term physical damage. People also die, a college fraternity tradition. If the hazing levels being reported here in this lawsuit are true, the CHL needs to get serious about getting control of hazing. The kids and the adults that manage them through their times in the CHL need to WTFU and break the cycle and not allow this idiotic nonsense to continue. I don't know the laws in Canada, but if the leagues won't do something and Canada doesn't have anti-hazing laws with real teeth, now is the time to consider them.
Yeah ... WAY past time for hockey culture to get the scorched earth treatment and junior hockey is the petri dish where the gross stuff grows and takes root. Frankly, a lot of organized junior sports have similar problems but the organization of junior hockey in Canada has always been too fertile an environment for this kind of behavior.
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Tampa closed their facility due to a CV outbreak
HeyKurtz
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Auston Matthews has reportedly tested positive...
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StormChaserBH
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OK, who doesn't like piling on the Sabres?
Friedman drops these nuggets, and more, about the Pegula's scorched-earth house cleaning in his latest column at
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-breaking-major-nhl-awards-races/
(which, side note, also gives a little award love to Slavin and Hamilton)
They couldn't even get right who they were firing!
Not a surprise, but Pegula's fully own Skinner's oversized deal. That money pit not a factor in Botterill's firing unless they go with a "you didn't object hard enough" when they get tired of signing $10mil checks to #53.
Friedman drops these nuggets, and more, about the Pegula's scorched-earth house cleaning in his latest column at
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-breaking-major-nhl-awards-races/
(which, side note, also gives a little award love to Slavin and Hamilton)
They couldn't even get right who they were firing!
Not a surprise, but Pegula's fully own Skinner's oversized deal. That money pit not a factor in Botterill's firing unless they go with a "you didn't object hard enough" when they get tired of signing $10mil checks to #53.
To be fair, the only advice the "wise hockey men" in the NHL are giving you is based on nothing other than covering your butt with track record. Dundon got no end of crap for going a different direction, and still does. Same with Tampa back when Stevie Y took off, and that's worked out ... OK, I guess. The Pegula's problem is NOT rejecting the advice of the mouth breathing old school around the league. Their issue 100% has to do with their own competence.
Paulie Walnuts
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Lebrun says 6 cities left in mix to host: Vancouver and Edmonton rank ahead of Toronto. Don't think they would have 2 west cities so maybe Las Vegas is not yet a lock. Maybe Columbus or Pittsburgh and Vancouver or Edmonton. Pretty much a lock a Canadian city is picked.
Paulie Walnuts
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they probably really prefer one east and one west but I guess they should do what's best.
cmaleski2
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Actually the biggest factor that will force the 2 cities to be 1 in the East and one in the West is the fact that there can be no home ice situations. So really it won't be Vegas AND Edmonton or Vancouver as some team would get home ice in that situation. So my post above isn't realistic. Considering no city in the mix doesn't have a playoff team, it has to be 1 east and 1 west city.
Without fans in the stands and players in quarantine, is home ice advantage a thing? The locker rooms are going to have to be kept generic; someone would be using the home locker room every night, it can’t be kept for just the “home” team. Most arenas only have 2 locker rooms that meet NHL standards, one can’t be reserved for the exclusive use of the home team.