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2019-Whenever Misc. Grab Bag Thread

I mean ... no surprises there. FSU's motions were childlike. Clemson's are too. This will eventually end in a negotiated split, but make no mistake ... FSU and Clemson aren't winning those cases in court. They just aren't. They'll blow up the ACC either way though. It's a matter of when and how much it will cost. That's all.
No disagreement there, and the faster they get to the end game the better as far as I’m concerned. Maybe not getting the stay will be the kick in the pants for FSU to start negotiating in earnest. Always hard to tell though.
 
I mean, what's the end game here -- 24-teams each in SEC and B1G ? 28? Really, I stopped caring long ago, and now that U-M finally won the football playoff this year I can probably hang up my big-time college interest for good, but holy wah, what a mess. And to think that I complained when Big-10 added Penn State.
 
Based on the currents and test balloons, yeah ... the networks would be happy with a 2 team power/super conference (probably the SEC and the B1G) in football. The fact remains that there are major legal, practical and cost obstacles in the way of that happening, not the least being that it 100% doesn't work for any sport other than football. And the surge in interest in women's basketball (the Women's Final outdrew the Men's) only serves as a reminder that basketball may be a secondary concern, but it's still a durable profit center.

Here's the thing though ... making assumptions based on current conditions extending forever is not only lazy and foolhardy, it's basically a guarantee of being wrong. If I had told you 5 years ago that Nike and Adidas would no longer be a major factor in where top high school prospects in basketball went to college, you'd have called me nuts. All it took was a couple of years of NIL money to weaken that bond dramatically. So when you tell me that nothing can break the influence of TV money on college football ... yeah, maybe not. We'll see.
 
Take this with however many grains of salt you need, considering the guy writes about the Big 12 from Morgantown WV. He says that ESPN is trying to broker a deal where FSU and Clemson would leave the ACC but only if they go to the SEC. FSU and Clemson will pay the ACC an exit fee equal to what Texas and Oklahoma paid to get out of the Big 12 plus an escalator. The ACC would retain TV rights to FSU and Clemson home games until the GOR expires in 2036 but would license them to the SEC for 50% of the fair market value of a SEC home game and that percentage would decrease each year. FSU and Clemson would be required to schedule a top tier ACC team each year.

What’s in it for the ACC? While the ACC GOR extends to 2036, their contract with ESPN expires after the 2026 season. If the ACC doesn’t agree to the deal, ESPN won’t extend, thereby putting the ACC in breach of the GOR. So ultimately, if the league doesn’t play ball, ESPN will destroy it.


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But if FSU and Clemson both leave, won't this pretty much lead to an outright breakup of the ACC? And I don't understand why a team would want to leave a conference with an easier path to the football playoffs than the SEC and/or Big 10. I guess they would get paid bigger bucks by being in the SEC whether they make the playoffs or not.
 
What’s in it for the ACC? While the ACC GOR extends to 2036, their contract with ESPN expires after the 2026 season. If the ACC doesn’t agree to the deal, ESPN won’t extend, thereby putting the ACC in breach of the GOR. So ultimately, if the league doesn’t play ball, ESPN will destroy it.
That's ... umm ... basically* extortion.
*and perhaps actually

Honestly, I think that the bit about ESPN trying to broker a compromise is probably correct. The rest sounds a like like somebody trying to connect the dots. Like I've said all along, we'll have to wait see.
 
Isn't it obvious that FSU and Clemson think they'll need more TV money so they can pay players enough to field competitive teams? College sports are never going to be the same. "My team can pay more money than your team...." Good for college team spirit.
 
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But if FSU and Clemson both leave, won't this pretty much lead to an outright breakup of the ACC? And I don't understand why a team would want to leave a conference with an easier path to the football playoffs than the SEC and/or Big 10. I guess they would get paid bigger bucks by being in the SEC whether they make the playoffs or not.
The issue purely is about the dollars, not the pathway to the championship. And no, it would lead to the dramatic weakening of the ACC, but so long as their deal with ESPN stays intact they're viable at least through the end of that deal. And they'd probably be better off breaking away from ABC/ESPN in 2026 anyway, as that deal has caused nothing but hardship. From there the issue is how much of the pie can you extract and can you compete in football with those revenues. Oh, and whether or not this Super League thing is real enough by then to really drop the hammer. It might be, or might not. People who say they know for sure are full of crap.
 
Is it obvious that FSU and Clemson think they'll need more TV money so they can pay players enough to field competitive teams? College sports are never going to be the same. "My team can pay more money than your team...." Good for college team spirit.
The same as what? At least the players are getting paid in broad daylight now. College football was never about purely amateur scholar/athletes, at least not at the highest levels.
 
The same as what? At least the players are getting paid in broad daylight now. College football was never about purely amateur scholar/athletes, at least not at the highest levels.
Since players will be state employees, potential players are going to be able to look at salary structures and decide where they'll be paid the most. To that end for the players, that's fair. But while it's never been completely clean, there was always a thin veneer of institutional commitment - the thing that draws the fans. I know I have much less interest in college sports now that almost everyone's a mercenary and you no longer see teams and players grow over time. It's one year slices. I'm a long term Duke fan. Once upon a time, particularly in basketball, you could count on players staying four years and forming an identify with the team and the school. That era is gone and I'm not wishing for it to come back. Ain't gonna happen. What's left may be good for player development, but it bears almost no linkage to the mission, or increasingly to the identify, of the colleges. I, for one, am ready to see colleges get out of the major sports business. And I won't be at all surprised when a bunch of institutions decide it's not worth the headache, particularly if we start to see players' unions and salary expectations.
 
I can tell you that IF the SEC decide to take FSU and Clemson it is only because espn forced it. I know as 100% fact the SEC wanted absolutely nothing to do with FSU and they were squarely on the fence with Clemson. There are 3 schools that have their pick of SEC or Big10 should that time ever come and none of them are named Clemson or FSU or even Miami. But with ESPN sticking their grubby little hands in it, who knows anymore. I honestly don’t care anymore. I enjoying shooting the games and covering these kids from high school to college to the pros, but college athletics lost its footing with me several years ago.
 
I can tell you that IF the SEC decide to take FSU and Clemson it is only because espn forced it. I know as 100% fact the SEC wanted absolutely nothing to do with FSU and they were squarely on the fence with Clemson. There are 3 schools that have their pick of SEC or Big10 should that time ever come and none of them are named Clemson or FSU or even Miami.
Just out of genuine curiosity, what makes you say that? I'm not in the know and never heard of any rumblings, so that's why I ask.
 
Just out of genuine curiosity, what makes you say that? I'm not in the know and never heard of any rumblings, so that's why I ask.
South Carolina, Georgia and probably Alabama want nothing to do with Clemson. FSU's problem is Florida. Ditto Miami ... but honestly, nobody really wants Miami. They routinely take out more money than they generate. And from the conference's poit of view none of those schools add anything to their television footprint and thus their revenues in the next contract.

As the number of conferences shrink, ESPN wants competition for the major football schools and dilution of the negotiating power of any small cadre of schools ... but they still only get paid by the advertisers for eyeballs. And none of those schools add new markets like Texas and Oklahoma did.
 
Just out of genuine curiosity, what makes you say that? I'm not in the know and never heard of any rumblings, so that's why I ask.

Because I have connections in the ACC including AD’s at other schools that actually know what is happening and are not click baiting media types.

I sent this to an ACC AD and here is a screenshot of his response

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And that entirely jives with what the legal guys I know have been saying. So long as the case stays in NC courts under NC laws (specifically, out of Florida's bonkers court system), the ACC is going to be under no jeopardy of actually losing in court. The practical concerns will eventually mean a separation but just like when Maryland left, the ACC will absolutely get its money. All of it. Which along with the split with the three new member schools will mean that the remaining member schools will be bridged over until the new TV deal ... at which point things potentially get weird. But that's two years from now and that's forever with the all the market forces shifting. And honestly, that doesn't change no matter what ESPN wants. For some reason they've convinced a lot of people that they are in charge of everything, but in case nobody's noticed ... they're bleeding money and have been for a fairly long time. Again, two years is a long time.
 
Because I have connections in the ACC including AD’s at other schools that actually know what is happening and are not click baiting media types.

I sent this to an ACC AD and here is a screenshot of his response

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That’s great and all but make no mistake, if ESPN wants FSU and Clemson in the SEC, it’s going to happen. Maybe this guy is right, they won’t take a penny less than they’re owed until 2027. After that, it’s posturing (and really it’s just posturing now), they’ll lose their TV sugar daddy in 2027. The GOR will be dead and buried and the other conferences will pick over the carcass, leaving what’s left in slightly better shape than the Sun Belt. And without a seat at the playoff, which ESPN also controls. As the tweet says, ESPN has all the leverage and the ACC has none.

As for Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, etc. not wanting FSU and Clemson, if the TV revenue increases, and allows the SEC to catch the Big 10, do you really think they’ll turn that down?

Both lawsuits are continuing, a judge in Mecklenburg County denied 2 FSU motions to dismiss or stay and a judge in Leon County, Florida dismissed the league’s motion to stay until the case in North Carolina is decided. Media reports were that the judge questioned whether the league’s vote to authorize the suit followed proper voting protocols.
 
You can believe what you want. I’m just telling you what I know from individuals that are well aware of what is going on and they all say without hesitation that FSU and Clemson were not on the radar of the SEC as early as last Friday. FSU even considered not filling the lawsuit because they did not have a landing spot if they did end up winning and they knew it. They decided to risk it. We’ll see if it pays off for them. If it does, great. But it’s pretty much known in conference circles that the SEC wanted neither. Both the SEC and Big contacted several schools about expansion in the future and neither FSU or Clemson were one of the schools. As you know these days, things change quickly so who knows
 
Watching the masters and it got me thinking. Are any of you planning on attending the us open in pinehurst this year? I plan to go to at least the Thursday round and maybe Friday. Was curious if any of you were going so we could meet up.
 
Watching the masters and it got me thinking. Are any of you planning on attending the us open in pinehurst this year? I plan to go to at least the Thursday round and maybe Friday. Was curious if any of you were going so we could meet up.
Probably not me, that’s our anniversary weekend. I went to the last round in 2014. Unfortunately, Kaymer had turned it into a runaway, so we followed Mickelson around for a while. We also saw a couple of the women who were playing there the following week wandering around. They were inside the ropes and I wondered how they got there, then realized it was Christie Kerr and Michelle Wie among others. It was funny watching all the private jets flying over the course as the early finishers headed home.
 
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