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2021 Hurricanes Post Season/Summer Thread

Habsy

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I hear ya. I think Andersen is the more stable and solid move personally.
 

Tryamw

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Andersen looked pretty good for many years behind that Leaf's defense that is rather remarkable... (IMO) It's a move that may not pan out.. and I did like Mrazek.. and Ned.. but I think the front office has Matt Murray vibes from Ned.. if they are right they did good if they aren't and the guy is threatening arbitration well I get the move too. but I did like the guy :)
 

andyt

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Its just been crazy to me how many Canes fans and non-followers have been willing to rip the Canes for not being willing to give Ned a multi year deal for more than $3 million per like he was a definitive solution in goal, a "no doubter" that you turn over the keys to this Cup contender to and know you can rely on.

I know we talked about it a few times here now, but again, the Canes have a very simple and clear message to all of our RFAs and pending UFAs. The Canes (Dundon/Waddell/Tulsky) have a value assigned to everyone that rolls through this organization. If you want to continue to play for the Carolina Hurricanes, that value is going to set the salaries that the Canes might be willing to pay you. If your agent comes in 'hot' when sitting down to discuss terms of an extension (ie Ned at 2 years $7 million, with the threat of arbitration being used), or if you are Elias Lindholm or Noah Hanifin asking for $5 million per on a long term deal (Lindholm has overplayed that contract for the Flames, Hanifin not so much) or Dougie at $9 million per (what was his lowest number to stay with the Canes?). Bottom line is that the Canes just are not going to overpay what they think a player's value is. (KK and that offer sheet are not in that same realm, a successful offer sheet MUST be an overpay to work, and note its a 1 year overpay (ignore all of the nonsense about setting QO floors, that is playing checkers and not chess)).

The media and some fans spin all that 'cheap', but 'cheap' would do what the Canes do AND be 5-15 million under the cap. The Canes are not cheap, they are being strategic about their spending. EVERY team in the NHL does that. But when the CANES do it, well, they are cheap, or stupid or both. "Dundon is calling all the shots and running the team into the ground" so we are told (3 straight trips to the playoffs, 4 series wins). Dougie Hamilton is the guy you should give every penny do, the Canes are stupid not to have done so (umm...playoff Dougie?) Freddie Andersen sucks, how could the Canes blow up their goaltending?

Again at some point the Canes will 'get it all wrong', and the naysayers will finally get their due. But we've heard from many of these same folks before, be it trading Skinner for picks and Pu, or trading Justin Faulk away for Joel Edmunson and a prospect. Or trading away 2 former 5th overall picks in Lindholm and Hanifin for Dougie, a 3rd line grinder, and Adam Fox (who we were able to turn into Jamieson Rees, Antonni Honka and Noel Gunler). Canes seem to somehow get most of these moves right. Unconventional? Yep. Clueless, stupid, and "dumpster fire offseason"? Sure, could end up that way, but this group seems to be getting it right most of the time, even when its might look like an unusual approach.
It also bears noting that Bokk (Faulk trade), Rees and Gunler were all on Corey Pronman’s list of under 23 players at The Athletic today.
 

hockeylover

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Mrazek will most likely give you better than that, but there seems to be narrative that Mrazek is better than the .905 goalie he has been in the regular season over the last 5 years (he's really not) or the .901 goalie he has been in the playoffs over the last few years (which of course is not good at all). I know about Freddie Andersen's warts (especially the penchant for untimely bad goals in the playoffs), but until last season, he was consistently putting up better Sv% numbers than Mrazek (even the season prior to this past one) and that is even more so in the playoffs.

Lots of people seem to be slamming the Canes for completely changing their goaltending, but then missing the part where Mrazek really wasn't that good in the playoffs and had a Meh season in year 2. Then those folks slamming the Canes goaltending moves double down on letting Nedelkjovic go, a goalie who was not very good for quite a while, suddenly had one good short season run, effectively blew game 1 in Round 2 of the playoffs with an inexcusable 3rd period goal and came back at the Canes asking for $3.5 million per like he was some sort of sure thing 1B split goalie.

The Canes elected to move on from Mrazek and the complete unknown that was Ned (and Reimer as a backup) and brought in 2 vets for the same money. One of those vets had a bad but injury plagued season (Andersen) and the other of course is just injury prone (Raanta). I have no idea how that will work out, but just about every goalie the Canes bring in does better than they did the seasons before they got here (save for Scott Darling, which was just a disaster from the get go).

My points are simply:

Petr Mrazek is an average NHL goalie who by no means is a certainty to be any better than Freddie Andersen in any given season.

Freddie Andersen had a bad season last year, but the reality is that season was an outlier to his career numbers (yeah he could be done, but that isn't a certainty).

The Nedeljkovic decision cannot really be fairly evaluated until he plays this season. Lots of folks seem absolutely certain that the Canes just let a great goalie go for nothing. Well they waived him multiple times and no one claimed him, and for the CANES to pay him $3+ million for 23 regular season games with great numbers played against just 7 other teams, not knowing if he is really that great goalie or the guy who looked average for his entire career up to that point, was something they didn't feel was the right move. (Detroit can take that chance and pay that money, they are not a Cup contender at the moment).

The Leafs HAD to move on from Freddie Andersen (no doubt)


It seems that some on the Leafs board are convinced that every move the Canes make is a bad one. At some point, yes, you have to think some of these really bold/against the grain moves will bite us in the ass. But the Canes have 3 straight trips to the playoffs an

This is... a lot of different topics that are a bit far off from the point I was trying to make. I'm not trying to litigate every dumb thing a Leaf fan has ever said to you.

I just think (a) Mrazek can give us better than what Fred gave us last year (that's a very low bar) and (b) he can be around average (you predicted .906 yourself, league average last year was .908).

That's pretty much it. I don't really see the lofty expectations for him you're describing from most of us.
 

Fayettenamcanesfan

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Its just been crazy to me how many Canes fans and non-followers have been willing to rip the Canes for not being willing to give Ned a multi year deal for more than $3 million per like he was a definitive solution in goal, a "no doubter" that you turn over the keys to this Cup contender to and know you can rely on.

I know we talked about it a few times here now, but again, the Canes have a very simple and clear message to all of our RFAs and pending UFAs. The Canes (Dundon/Waddell/Tulsky) have a value assigned to everyone that rolls through this organization. If you want to continue to play for the Carolina Hurricanes, that value is going to set the salaries that the Canes might be willing to pay you. If your agent comes in 'hot' when sitting down to discuss terms of an extension (ie Ned at 2 years $7 million, with the threat of arbitration being used), or if you are Elias Lindholm or Noah Hanifin asking for $5 million per on a long term deal (Lindholm has overplayed that contract for the Flames, Hanifin not so much) or Dougie at $9 million per (what was his lowest number to stay with the Canes?). Bottom line is that the Canes just are not going to overpay what they think a player's value is. (KK and that offer sheet are not in that same realm, a successful offer sheet MUST be an overpay to work, and note its a 1 year overpay (ignore all of the nonsense about setting QO floors, that is playing checkers and not chess)).

The media and some fans spin all that 'cheap', but 'cheap' would do what the Canes do AND be 5-15 million under the cap. The Canes are not cheap, they are being strategic about their spending. EVERY team in the NHL does that. But when the CANES do it, well, they are cheap, or stupid or both. "Dundon is calling all the shots and running the team into the ground" so we are told (3 straight trips to the playoffs, 4 series wins). Dougie Hamilton is the guy you should give every penny do, the Canes are stupid not to have done so (umm...playoff Dougie?) Freddie Andersen sucks, how could the Canes blow up their goaltending?

Again at some point the Canes will 'get it all wrong', and the naysayers will finally get their due. But we've heard from many of these same folks before, be it trading Skinner for picks and Pu, or trading Justin Faulk away for Joel Edmunson and a prospect. Or trading away 2 former 5th overall picks in Lindholm and Hanifin for Dougie, a 3rd line grinder, and Adam Fox (who we were able to turn into Jamieson Rees, Antonni Honka and Noel Gunler). Canes seem to somehow get most of these moves right. Unconventional? Yep. Clueless, stupid, and "dumpster fire offseason"? Sure, could end up that way, but this group seems to be getting it right most of the time, even when its might look like an unusual approach.
If I could “like” this post 10 times I would.
 

cmaleski2

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Dundon was on SN590 The Fan on Tuesday to talk offer sheet. He also noted that all of the Canes players have been vaccinated (I will assume that is definitive until someone or some event tells us otherwise).
 

jeffbear

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I was never sold on Ned. Has flash in the pan written on him kinda like Jonas Gustavsson.
I think we're all old enough to know that once a goalie has a certain number of professional games under his belt, the overall course of their career is simply a matter of variations from the mean average. Ned is MUCH more likely to post numbers in keeping with the rest of his pro career going forward than he is to continue to be the guy he was in that 29 game run this past season. That doesn't mean he won't have another hot run, but it also doesn't mean he won't have another season like he had in 2019-20 when he was fairly terrible in all situations. Heck, Ned wasn't even really all that great the year he won the Calder Cup and was named the best keeper in the AHL. He split time with a veteran the entire regular season and then was erratic AF in the playoffs when he was handed the crease ... wildly alternating between being a brick wall and being a blocking dummy. But in the lore, he's the great hero of the championship team. In reality ... he averaged out OK.

But this stuff happens every year, so I'm not surprised. People who want to bag on the Canes for their own reasons have that decision to use as fuel for their bonfire. But it's just rhetoric. I like the kid and I hope he has a long career in the NHL, but I 100% understand why Carolina's front office decided to go another direction.
 

jeffbear

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Dundon was on SN590 The Fan on Tuesday to talk offer sheet. He also noted that all of the Canes players have been vaccinated (I will assume that is definitive until someone or some event tells us otherwise).
I'll take them at their word, but I wonder if we're actually including guys who haven't ever reported in that 100%. There's one player in particular that I'm thinking about here, and we all know who I'm talking about.
 

cmaleski2

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With Canes tix on sale, I have been poking around and buying 'additional' seats, exchanging tix and vouchers, etc. as I normally do. One thing I've noticed that is 'different' for STMs this season. If you look at the 'benefits' table, they indicate as always that 'additional tickets at a discounted rate' is still a thing. However, unlike prior seasons, if you are an STM, your 'additional tickets discounted rate' is not automatically the same for every game.

For example, my full STM per game base seat cost before taxes is $57. In all past seasons when I have had full season tickets, I could buy additional seats for the full STM price. Didn't matter which regular season game, which section it was, or it was or if it was a 'premium priced' game. I would pay the full STM rate for that seat in that section. I might not be able to exchange tickets for a premium priced game, but if I decided to buy additional tickets for that game, I would pay the regular full STM price for that section.

That is no longer true.

While I can buy tickets for a premium priced game at a substantial discount still, its not simply the regular STM full season ticket price for section you are buying a seat in.

For example, if I want to buy an extra ticket for a 'regular' priced game in the same section as my season tickets, its $57 (plus taxes). Same as prior years. However, if I want to buy a ticket for the Penguins on Friday March 4th, an additional seat in my section would cost $71 (plus tax). That is not how things worked prior to this year. In prior years that seat would have cost me $57.

I'm not going to complain about this as those same tickets in my section are $110 (regular game) and $140 (premium priced game) via Ticketmaster. So its still a great deal for STMs...but not quite as great a deal as it was before.

I didn't see a list of STM appreciation nights (where STMs get discounts below full STM prices) yet, but from what I have been able to see poking around STM manager and looking at ticket prices, they appear to be:

Oct 25 vs. Toronto
Oct 21 vs. Arizona
Dec 2 vs. Ottawa
Jan 13 vs. Columbus
Mar 24 vs. Dallas
Apr 21 vs. Winnipeg
 

cmaleski2

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Also Sat Apr 4 (vs. Minnesota) is a premium priced game. That seems very odd and random to me given the opponent (since when is Minny a draw for the Canes?), so I'm wondering if there is something special planned for the night that we don't know about yet?
 

jeffbear

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Also Sat Apr 4 (vs. Minnesota) is a premium priced game. That seems very odd and random to me given the opponent (since when is Minny a draw for the Canes?), so I'm wondering if there is something special planned for the night that we don't know about yet?
It's my Dad's birthday. Clearly they're planning something special
 

StormChaserBH

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Also Sat Apr 4 (vs. Minnesota) is a premium priced game. That seems very odd and random to me given the opponent (since when is Minny a draw for the Canes?), so I'm wondering if there is something special planned for the night that we don't know about yet?
It's my Dad's birthday. Clearly they're planning something special
Can't wait to see what, it would have to be pretty special for Saturday to last all the way from April 2 to April 4
:devilish:
 

jeffbear

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They still have to retire Cam Ward's number, that is inevitable.
Could be that. If they were waiting for an Alberta team to show up on the schedule it might just take for freaking ever. And Ward was only in Chicago the one year so there's no real point in doing it during a Hawks visit.
 

andyt

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Could be that. If they were waiting for an Alberta team to show up on the schedule it might just take for freaking ever. And Ward was only in Chicago the one year so there's no real point in doing it during a Hawks visit.
Calgary is here on 1/7, Edmonton on 2/27.
 

jeffbear

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Calgary is here on 1/7, Edmonton on 2/27.
That's what I get for not taking the time to actually look at the freaking schedule :0)

So, probably not a Cam Ward number retirement then. I'm back to having no clue why that game would be a premium ticket unless they're assuming the local fan base is much more in to Kirill Kaprizov than is probably realistic.
 
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