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2023 Draft and UFA Thread

@GGpX was thinking... How does the size thing compare with teams not in the playoffs? Is there any difference?

I'll try to do a look this weekend to see if there is any correlation between size and playoff success.

Things I'd be curious about...

What is the size cut off? Is 5'11 small? 6 feet? Eg. Would you rather have kucherov or Marner?
Centres, wing, D?
Top 6 vs bottom 6?

Do teams with bigger players... Like 6'3" and up do better?

Does the production change for players of different heights in the playoffs?
 
worm said:
Well - we have the 5th best odds.
So we pick one of 1,2,5,6,7 and then again at 16ish

If we pick number 1 - hello Bedard - have said enough about him

Number 2
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Fantilli is not Bedard but he is pretty damn good.
6'2 centre
36gp30g35a65pts
Led U of Michigan in scoring - Luke Hughes was second with 48 points
Last year's pick Cooley only had 60 points this year - obviously he is a year older
Matty Beniers in his draft year only had 24 points in 24 games (post draft he had 43 in 38games) - this year he had 57 NHL points in 80 games

Summary - really good back up plan to Bedard

Number 5, 6, 7
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Here is where it gets interesting

Michkov - might be around at 5,6, or 7.

I take Michkov and wait the 3 years
RW 5′ 10″ | 172 pounds
Basically an offensive wizard.
I am not exactly sure how to compare russian players but let me try
in the KHL
27gp9g11a20pts
Kucherov had 2 assists in 8 khl games in his draft year and 4 points in 18 games his post draft year - then did a year in the Q

also fuck putin

Carlsson - only chance at number 5
C, 6′ 3″ | 198 pounds

Maybe somebody goes off the board and somebody takes Michkov - probably unlikely he falls to us even at 5...but it is possible
44gp10g15a25pts

Some comparables
Lucas Raymond - 10 points in 33 games - draft year
Elias Pettersson - post draft year 56 points in 44 games
William Nylander - 7 points in 22 games

Not the best skating and has been a winger a lot - so not convinced he will be a C in the NHL

William Smith - assume he is there at 5, but not sure about 6 or 7
C 5′ 11.75″ | 178 pounds

20gp15g27A42PTS

Cooley had 36 points in 24 games his draft year



I will lump together the CHL guys in this range

Nate Danielson, C (WHL)
6′ 1.5″ | 185 pounds

68gp33g45a78pt
Seems like a classic 2 way centre

Colby Barlow, LW (OHL)
6′ 0.25″ | 193 pounds

59gp46g33a79pts


Samuel Honzek, LW, (WHL)
6′ 3.5″ | 186 pounds
43gp23g33a56pt
One of the few big options in this range


Brayden Yager, C (WHL)
5′ 10.5″ | 166 pounds

67gp28g50A78pts



Zach Benson, LW (WHL)
5′ 9.0″ | 160 pounds

60gp36g62a98pts
Small guy but those point totals are impressive - even outscored last years 9th overall pick on his team (Savoie) and Geekie


For comparison - here is suzuki in his draft year
65gp45g51a96pts


Danil But, LW, (RUSSIA)
6′ 5.0″ | 203 pounds

For count - and hey with the russia factor maybe he is around at the panthers pick
And with a name like that...
2 points in 15 KHL games


Dalibor Dvorsky, C, (SWEDEN-2)
6′ 1.0″ | 201 pounds
Did okay at the last 2 world juniors


Also folks like Reinbacher , Cristall, Moore, Leonard, Sale, Wood




If we picked at 5 it is probably Michkov or the fresh prince (outside shot for Carlsoon)
If we drop to 6 we would need some off the board picks to get a smith or michkov but if we end up 6 or 7 there will be a ton of choices - from all about the points like benson to some safer picks like Honzek - scouting staff will have to work

The good news is there shoud actually be some high upside guys with the panthers pick
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My detailed post from last month.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
we need to stop worrying about how our offensive guys play in the defensive zone, he has to go up against guys like Pig Nose and McNopersonality all the time so no surprise if he does not look so good in his own zone.
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Last night Vegas scored a goal when Draisaitl allowed a guy to waltz past him clear to the net in his own zone. I doubt he'll be getting bag skated at practice.
 
If the Habs really wanted a prospect and feared a team ahead of them might take that player, what would a fair offer look like to move up to picks 2-4? Does the NHL have an NFL-style draft value system that can be used to determine what is a fair price?
 
Thurston said:
If the Habs really wanted a prospect and feared a team ahead of them might take that player, what would a fair offer look like to move up to picks 2-4? Does the NHL have an NFL-style draft value system that can be used to determine what is a fair price?
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not really...because unlike the NFL and their massive NCAA feeder system, the prospect pool of very good prospects at the NHL draft is rather small and varies greatly from year to year.
 
worm said:
@GGpX was thinking... How does the size thing compare with teams not in the playoffs? Is there any difference?

I'll try to do a look this weekend to see if there is any correlation between size and playoff success.

Things I'd be curious about...

What is the size cut off? Is 5'11 small? 6 feet? Eg. Would you rather have kucherov or Marner?
Centres, wing, D?
Top 6 vs bottom 6?

Do teams with bigger players... Like 6'3" and up do better?

Does the production change for players of different heights in the playoffs?
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You cant have size being an issue on D or upfront

Skill and will prevail but you cant have 3D or 4-5 forwards 5`10" and under

You can get away with it in the regular season , but the grind of the playoffs wont work
 
lecoqsportif said:
Geez. You’d think, eh.
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More I think about potential of Michkov selection (should opportunity present itself), it dawned on me, Habs are the best positioned of all NHL teams to make THE decision - given the ability to access information / intel w their present Euro scouting dir and his father having both worked for / continue to work for SKA St Petersburg and both also understanding the needs of the NA game (smaller ice surface, two way focus / playoff intensity ramp-up, potential ability to navigate language barrier etc.), having worked for NHL orgs - father Sergei Bobrov for Kings and son Nick for NYR & now Habs.

Would also think Molson’s family / political connections would enable access to intelligence agencies for “information and enablement of moving the asset to safe havens if required….”

Why does every opportunity at a top pick have to be so complicated for the Habs!
 
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