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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

MindzEye said:
Yeah. You're going to makes trades and lose good players from time to time, the key is to get value in return. The trade with LA was fine, we paid full value for Muzzin (it felt like more of a steal at the time definitely) but Muzzin was good for us until he broke down and died. We got value in return. Verhaege, funny enough, hurts me a bit because he's the type of prospect that you just let marinate in your system and be patient with but a new regime came in and did dumb new regime shit.

Kadri though....fuck. I also reacted emotionally at the time Kadri got punted out of the playoffs again, and also kind of agreed with the idea of trading him. Even thought that Barrie+Kerfoot was a good deal for him considering how bad our right side of the blueline was at moving the puck, but man I was wrong. That turned out so fucking brutal.
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I definitely had the same emotional reaction that we *HAD* to trade Kadri after the second playoff suspension.

Part of that was frustration with Naz himself, and the other part was a belief that Parros’s shitty, biased, racist DOPS had basically decided that they would never let Kadri get through a playoff series un-suspended so long as he was a Leaf.

Still though—it’s incumbent upon the GM to not be an emotional dummy like the fans. And to extract proper value if he does go ahead with the trade. And he somehow managed to fill not a single one of this team’s obvious holes in a deal involving his biggest trade chip.

Combined with Naz going on to play a big role in Colorado’s only Cup with this core group to date, and this’ll go down as one of the all-time worst deals in franchise history.
 
I do still think we had to trade Kadri. He was incredibly stupid and selfish and cost us twice in the playoffs, and then did it again after he left.

I don't think it was reasonably foreseeable that he'd take it up to 1C level play with Colorado.

The only problem was that Dubie got a shit return. And even then, maybe only in retrospect because Kerf seemed like he was a perfect replacement on paper and Barrie looked like a perfect add on D on paper. Unfortunately, the paper everyone was reading from (except Sakic) was shit.
 
Preston said:
The Kadri deal was a roller coaster of emotions for me. At first I was stoked and thought it was brilliant. Then I dug deeper into Barrie's nerdies and I was like fuck... Then I started bashing analytics and nerds because I was in deep denial and wanted to convince myself that there were some super secret nerd stats that made Barrie super elite. And then I claimed Kerf is just a younger Kadri so it's ok.
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sounds like a two season arc on AMC
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I do still think we had to trade Kadri. He was incredibly stupid and selfish and cost us twice in the playoffs, and then did it again after he left.

I don't think it was reasonably foreseeable that he'd take it up to 1C level play with Colorado.

The only problem was that Dubie got a shit return. And even then, maybe only in retrospect because Kerf seemed like he was a perfect replacement on paper and Barrie looked like a perfect add on D on paper. Unfortunately, the paper everyone was reading from (except Sakic) was shit.
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In calm retrospect, I don't think that we had to trade Kadri. But I do think we needed to take a look at his market and see what was out there.

The original trade was apparently Brodie + Jankowski until Naz vetoed it. Brodie being a legit match up pairing guy would have made that palatable I think. The mistake was made when that fell apart and we just didn't shrug and run it back imo. Made sense to see if you could turn Naz into something really good, but as soon as that wasn't out there, just bring him back.
 
At the time I was willing to give Barrie the benefit of the doubt because of Babs, but yeah what a dissapointment. They didn't get fleeced by the Bruins again, at least.
 
MindzEye said:
In calm retrospect, I don't think that we had to trade Kadri. But I do think we needed to take a look at his market and see what was out there.

The original trade was apparently Brodie + Jankowski until Naz vetoed it. Brodie being a legit match up pairing guy would have made that palatable I think. The mistake was made when that fell apart and we just didn't shrug and run it back imo. Made sense to see if you could turn Naz into something really good, but as soon as that wasn't out there, just bring him back.
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I think they thought it was a pretty good return. So did we.

It looked like they got a replacement who could put up similar production, at less money, with upside. And then an offensive D for free with one year left as the sweetener in case the Kerf upside didn't materialize.

Unfortunately, Barrie being added as a sweetener in that trade is analogous to cow dung being added as a sweetener in coffee. And you only find out after you take a few sips.
 
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