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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

MindzEye said:
Covers his 30-33 yr old seasons. Career high 28 points this season on 18% shooting and 15% oish.....

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
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Best case he's Edmonton's Hyman. More likely case he's still the same old 25-30 point trash now signed into his declining seasons.
 
Man what an awful contract for the Oilers. Further handicapping their cap situation with a signing like that
 
Holland liked nothing better than handing out real money and term to gritty depth players when he was running the Wings, so this should come as no surprise.

Like...did they not pay attention to what’s become of Pat Maroon since he left Edmonton?

Honestly, you could pick up a new slug similar to Kassian off the scrap heap every summer, play them with McDavid and watch them score at a 20-goal, 40-point pace at least.
 
Dumb contract for the Oilers.

Potentially dumb name for Seattle, though I thought the Knights were dumb but that's worked out well, so what do I know.
 
A few of the contracts Ken Holland's left behind as a parting gift for Steve Yzerman:


Darren Helm: 5 years/$19.25M ($2.25M AAV) from 2016/17-2020-21, signed at age 29

Justin Abdelkader: 7 years/$29.75M ($4.25M AAV) from 2016/17-2022-23, signed at age 29

Luke Glendenning: 4 years/$7.2M ($1.8M AAV) from 2017/18-2020-21, signed at age 28


All three of those guys were never worth their contracts even from the start, and all three literally aren't even NHL-calibre players anymore. You could swap them out for any of several depth forwards in the Leaf organization signed for less than $800K, and the Leaf player would be an improvement.

Those deals are the ones that really just flush your competitiveness down the toilet, barring insanely good draft and development. That's $8.3M flushed down the toilet on below-replacement-level garbage. The Kassian deal is another one exactly like those.
 
So Holland comes in and repeats the same mistake. Oilers have too many overpaid supporting guys.
Look at what we are getting out of Spezza for the league minimum
 
LeafGm said:
A few of the contracts Ken Holland's left behind as a parting gift for Steve Yzerman:


Darren Helm: 5 years/$19.25M ($2.25M AAV) from 2016/17-2020-21, signed at age 29

Justin Abdelkader: 7 years/$29.75M ($4.25M AAV) from 2016/17-2022-23, signed at age 29

Luke Glendenning: 4 years/$7.2M ($1.8M AAV) from 2017/18-2020-21, signed at age 28


All three of those guys were never worth their contracts even from the start, and all three literally aren't even NHL-calibre players anymore. You could swap them out for any of several depth forwards in the Leaf organization signed for less than $800K, and the Leaf player would be an improvement.

Those deals are the ones that really just flush your competitiveness down the toilet, barring insanely good draft and development. That's $8.3M flushed down the toilet on below-replacement-level garbage. The Kassian deal is another one exactly like those.
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Babs wanted Glendenning bad on the Leafs.
 
It's funny all we hear are criticism of young elite stars making the most. You overpay 2 bottom 6 guys and you're wasting millions and unlike any young star, you can't move the contract.
There are really solid 4th lines guys out there every summer who will work on 1 year deals for cheap. And Leafs can get more than most.
 
JackBurton said:
So Holland comes in and repeats the same mistake. Oilers have too many overpaid supporting guys.
Look at what we are getting out of Spezza for the league minimum
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Now, granted, it might be harder for the Oilers to do the same kind of thing. Edmonton is obviously not as desirable a destination as Toronto. You can cite the weather, what each respective city has to offer and the success each of the two teams have had in recent years.

But if Edmonton dangled the opportunity to play on McDavid's wing in front of some of those reclamation projects on the scrap heap, you'd have to figure some of them would jump at the opportunity. Whether it's an aging vet like Spezza, or someone like Ennis trying to get his career back on track.

JackBurton said:
It's funny all we hear are criticism of young elite stars making the most. You overpay 2 bottom 6 guys and you're wasting millions and unlike any young star, you can't move the contract.
There are really solid 4th lines guys out there every summer who will work on 1 year deals for cheap. And Leafs can get more than most.
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Yep. Old-school guys like Burke will just bitch until they're red in the face about allocating so much money to your top players in general, or specifically $6.9M to a guy like Nylander. But they don't bat an eye to shelling out $8M+ on replacement-level depth players that should all be on NHL minimum contracts.
 
LeafGm said:
Now, granted, it might be harder for the Oilers to do the same kind of thing. Edmonton is obviously not as desirable a destination as Toronto. You can cite the weather, what each respective city has to offer and the success each of the two teams have had in recent years.

But if Edmonton dangled the opportunity to play on McDavid's wing in front of some of those reclamation projects on the scrap heap, you'd have to figure some of them would jump at the opportunity. Whether it's an aging vet like Spezza, or someone like Ennis trying to get his career back on track.




Yep. Old-school guys like Burke will just bitch until they're red in the face about allocating so much money to your top players in general, or specifically $6.9M to a guy like Nylander. But they don't bat an eye to shelling out $8M+ on replacement-level depth players that should all be on NHL minimum contracts.
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Burke is so outdated. He still will defend someone like Lucic for throwing a "Big Hit" and not discuss everything else that he's horrible at including his cap hit.
It is so easy to kill your cap with bottom 6 guys but no one seems to notice.
 
That's why Montreal is so smart. Sure, we shelled out big bucks for a guy like Alzner, but really, he's not costing us because we're not even close to being a cap team.
 
Looking back, how did Dubas not find a way to get Trouba?

I'm intrigued by how things are playing out on the blueline right now. Muzzin has looked stronger and is playing at both ends of the ice since coming back. Barrie stinks, but finds a way to put up points. Holl, Dermott, and Ceci have all looked solid. Sandin has been playing like a top pair guy. Rielly presumably will come back fully healed and rested and ready to do some damage. One guy has to sit at that point, and it isn't looking like it will be Sandin. It probably comes down to Dermott and Ceci. But how can you sit Dermott?

The way I see it, one of Ceci and Barrie have to go. Conventional wisdom would have it be Ceci who departs, but really, what would we really get for him, maybe a 2nd rounder? Not bad at all, but worth trading away solid bottom pair depth? Probably. But certainly we'd get more bang for the buck out of dealing Barrie. He makes half as much and has been on an offensive tear under Keefe. Yet Sandin could seemingly replace Barrie's skating and offense, though we don't really have anyone who can provide some size and steady play on the bottom pair like Ceci. And would we really miss Barrie if we're rolling out Rielly-Sandin, Muzzin-Holl, Dermott-Ceci? I doubt it.

So if the rumors are true and we're resigning Muzzin, then Barrie is gone regardless, so do we hold onto the little nightmare, whose game in the playoffs I somehow don't anticipate loving, or do we deal him for a 1st, and give Sandin his minutes or swing a deal for another dman by trading off Johnsson.

And all of this with an eye to somehow keeping flexible to sign Pietrangelo if he goes UFA (though a signed Muzzin would end that dream).

Gonna be an interesting month.
 
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