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Around the League 2019-2024 Edition

MindzEye said:
Can't keep everyone, that's the nature of the cap. With Mikky specifically, there just isn't enough track record of success for us to remotely feel comfortable giving him 4+ million for 4-5 years. Career year shooting % streaks are a bad thing to risk a 20 million dollar contract on.
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Gotta do it.
 
He's been great this year, but you don't have to keep him. In fact you have to not keep him with cheaper, more talented guys like Robertson and Knies coming.

This team can't justify spending long term on a 3rd line/pker winger.

Especially because he is going to score less moving forward with a career high 13 sh%.
 
MindzEye said:
Can't keep everyone, that's the nature of the cap. With Mikky specifically, there just isn't enough track record of success for us to remotely feel comfortable giving him 4+ million for 4-5 years. Career year shooting % streaks are a bad thing to risk a 20 million dollar contract on.
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Yeah even if they have the cap space you can't spend just to spend; this team is no position to sign a middle sixer for 4-5m per year on a long-term deal.

Trade Kerf, explore trading Muzz, sign Gio, sign Jack, give Engvall a little raise even if it's another 1 year deal (would prefer to go long but the player has to be willing to at a reasonable hit), sign a few Kase types and hope for but don't expect a Bunting home run. And then Robertson has to be ready and you hope Holmberg can contribute in the bottom 6.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
Gotta do it.
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If he reverts back to the 12-15 goal guy he was over his first 100 NHL games, that contract becomes an albatross and there's a fair bit of risk there that he does. His shooting % this season is almost double what it was over his first 2 seasons. Legit increase in shooting skill or shooting streak?
 
Love Mikky as a player, but his increased goal-scoring does seem a bit more "luck" than skill. He's not exactly sniping, more just chucking it at the net when he can beat a defender there - and this year they are going in at a higher rate.

That said, keep it going Mik!
 
Preston said:
Yeah even if they have the cap space you can't spend just to spend; this team is no position to sign a middle sixer for 4-5m per year on a long-term deal.

Trade Kerf, explore trading Muzz, sign Gio, sign Jack, give Engvall a little raise even if it's another 1 year deal (would prefer to go long but the player has to be willing to at a reasonable hit), sign a few Kase types and hope for but don't expect a Bunting home run. And then Robertson has to be ready and you hope Holmberg can contribute in the bottom 6.
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Yeah, this is just it. Explore moving the guys who might be not worth their cap hit (Muzzin Kerfoot), try to roll a few more cheap kids into the lineup and sign more Kase's (including the existing mushy headed one we have).
 
BG said:
Love Mikky as a player, but his increased goal-scoring does seem a bit more "luck" than skill. He's not exactly sniping, more just chucking it at the net when he can beat a defender there - and this year they are going in at a higher rate.

That said, keep it going Mik!
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Yep. I hope he's a playoff hero and the Oilers sign him for 5x5.
 
Awesome player and a perfect 3rd liner on a contending team. Him and Engvall bring something different to the group than past years (thanks to Keefe actually using Engvall and Mik improving). Not gonna knock them as players. But once you start paying them 2nd line+ money long-term I'm out. Even if they may produce at that level, the teams cap structure requires that they need 2nd line production from ELC guys or $1-3m dollar players. And the beauty of the Leafs is that they have done that many times before so there's no real reason to start paying market value for these types.
 
Wayward DP said:
I am open to being convinced that his disappearances coincided neatly with his wrist injury, and his reappearance only once it had recovered.
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His first season (uninjured) looks a lot more like his 2nd (return from wrist injury) than this season does from a shooting standpoint.

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He likely falls in the middle based on the current up swing of luck and his past history of being in the tank.

Lets call him a 15/15 guy with strong PK results. Seems like 3 mil per is right on point
 
He brings so much more than scoring. I've often said that any point production was a bonus from him because he's so fucking good and so difficult to play against. Huge guy who can skate, hit, and score a bit (or a lot now)? Have to keep him and will badly regret it if we don't.
 
If you can replace Kerf's money with Mik, you do it of course. I agree, he brings a much more unique skillset than Kerf.


But you're gonna have to pay for that and the number won't begin with a 3.
 
Its also years. He's all speed, and he is 28. When he loses a step that is bad, so how long do you give him big money for?

Its purely cap/contractual issue. I'd love to have him for another year at a reasonable number. According to Dom he's brought $6.5 mill of value this year. But 5 years?
 
Preston said:
If you can replace Kerf's money with Mik, you do it of course. I agree, he brings a much more unique skillset than Kerf.


But you're gonna have to pay for that and the number won't begin with a 3.
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It might. This is a guy that left money on the table so they could sign another teammate.

He may not be the type that wants to leave a great situation for a couple of bucks more.
 
leafman101 said:
Its also years. He's all speed, and he is 28. When he loses a step that is bad, so how long do you give him big money for?

Its purely cap/contractual issue. I'd love to have him for another year at a reasonable number. According to Dom he's brought $6.5 mill of value this year. But 5 years?
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4 years ideally.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
It might. This is a guy that left money on the table so they could sign another teammate.

He may not be the type that wants to leave a great situation for a couple of bucks more.
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He's going to get offers in the 5's. He asked to be traded because this is his contract year and he wanted a larger opportunity to juice his stats so he can get paid.

Love him. I really do. But you don't pay these guys market value. I'm not even saying or considering that the contract may flop.. It may or it may not.. But unless you think this is a guy that you can sign on a significant discount compared to the value he'll bring in, you let him go. The Leafs cap structure cannot absorb a 4.5-5.5 million dollar middle sixer even if that's the value he brings to the team. If you can get that kind of value from Robertson next year or a Bunting type signing, that's way more preferable and really how it's gonna have to be.
 
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