GrandWazoo
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Yeah, having generational players definitely helps.Bottom line... having 1st overall picks increases your chances of winning the Cup at some point.
Yeah, having generational players definitely helps.Bottom line... having 1st overall picks increases your chances of winning the Cup at some point.
Crosby and maybe Ovechkin are generational. Nate, Stammer, Kane are not.Yeah, having generational players definitely helps.
Sal must be pissed the race to 17th overall isn’t going to happenI sigh whenever I read here from Sal and Count that the “rebuild” will be done/complete after next summer. It won’t be, obviously. It’s not like HuGo can snap their fingers and say “Rebuild done, we’re now going to be good for the next 7 years.” Only Rags can because two superstars decided they would only play for them. Not gonna happen with us. 3-5 year organic rebuild. Done when it’s done.
Agree. So 8 Cups by non-generational 1st overall in 50+ years of drafting. 6 from those 3, plus Modano and Houle. Still elite players though (minus Houle).Crosby and maybe Ovechkin are generational. Nate, Stammer, Kane are not.
You're really trying to massage some numbers there.Agree. So 8 Cups by non-generational 1st overall in 50+ years of drafting. 6 from those 3, plus Modano and Houle. Still elite players though (minus Houle).
No arguments there. But I’m unsure if it’s the norm or recency bias. Most 1st don’t win, but the select few wins a large share of them. As I’ve been saying the 2003-2008 crew are an outlier of the larger trend, but they account for most recent wins.You're really trying to massage some numbers there.
8 of the last 9 Cups have been won by teams with a 1st overall player on the team. Full stop.
I thank you
Everything else aside. Better players give you a better chance to win. Having the 1st overall pick gives you the best shot at the best player.No arguments there. But I’m unsure if it’s the norm or recency bias. Most 1st don’t win, but the select few wins a large share of them. As I’ve been saying the 2003-2008 crew are an outlier of the larger trend, but they account for most recent wins.
And this was before remembering that Erik Johnson was on the Blues when they won. That's 9 straight Cup winners with a 1st overall pick on the team.You're really trying to massage some numbers there.
8 of the last 9 Cups have been won by teams with a 1st overall player on the team. Full stop.
He wasn’t. He was in Colorado.And this was before remembering that Erik Johnson was on the Blues when they won. That's 9 straight Cup winners with a 1st overall pick on the team.
Dammit... you're right. My bad.He wasn’t. He was in Colorado.
I only counted Cups with the teams that drafted them. So I excluded Smith, Green and Ramage that won Cups with us. My optic was targeted at the benefit of the team drafted those players.Out of curiosity I looked it up. 18 players picked 1st overall picks have won the Cup. That's 30%.
How long does it take for a first overall pick to win the Stanley Cup? (thewincolumn.ca)
And I excluded everything before 1969 since it was still affected by sponsorship before that.I only counted Cups with the teams that drafted them. So I excluded Smith, Green and Ramage that won Cups with us. My optic was targeted at the benefit of the team drafted those players.
Yeah that’s a different list, again I was looking at it from the drafting team benefit. Good players tends to end up on good teams eventually.I only counted 1st overall picks that have won the Cup.
That being said, it would be fair to include Lindros as his trade was a major factor of Colorado’s Cups.Yeah that’s a different list, again I was looking at it from the drafting team benefit. Good players tends to end up on good teams eventually.