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Around The League - 2024-25 Regular Season

CH1 said:
Ruel’s Habs put their young ones in the best position to succeed. The rest was on the players

I feel like Habs GMs have been guilty of rushing too many guys in the hope early returns will make them look good
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Ruel also begged his bosses to draft Mike Bossy and Denis Savard instead of Mark Napier and Doug Wickenheiser, both to no avail.
 
Sal_Butera said:
Define “development” - Habs had the GOAT in Claude Ruel, yet he couldn’t magically turn Alfie Turcotte, Lindsay Vallis, Brad Brown, Turner Stevenson etc into regular NHLers let alone 1st line fwd / 1st pairing Dman for any period of time they were projected to be…

Now if development is fine tuning, to get that extra 1/10 of a second for example, yes that’s definitely doable but if there was this magic potion of player development many teams would be turning chicken s*it into McDavid …

IMO too many people confuse “maturation process” of life with player development. There are early bloomers and late bloomers - but without extreme hunger / drive there will be no success.

Players who don’t develop in the end lack that elite level of hunger..
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If you want to compare player development from 1975-1995 to post 1995, be my best. Yeah we still sucked in the first round but we were cranking up quality players like crazy during those years.

Also not sure why you're using those mid-low 1st round picks as example. Neither Alfie Turcotte (17th), Lindsay Vallis (13th), Brad Brown (18th), Turner Stevenson (12th) were realistically expected to be 1st line/1st pair players.
 
GrandWazoo said:
If you want to compare player development from 1975-1995 to post 1995, be my best. Yeah we still sucked in the first round but we were cranking up quality players like crazy during those years.

Also not sure why you're using those mid-low 1st round picks as example. Neither Alfie Turcotte (17th), Lindsay Vallis (13th), Brad Brown (18th), Turner Stevenson (12th) were realistically expected to be 1st line/1st pair players.
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Alfie Turcotte, like his son during draft year was getting all kinds of hype - and back in 1983 the Detroit minor hockey system was only starting to evolve, he put them on the map

Turcotte & Scott Sandelin were hyped as big time steals by Habs at the draft. Bobby Mac had a huge spread on them for The Hockey News at the time.
 
Sal_Butera said:
Alfie Turcotte, like his son during draft year was getting all kinds of hype - and back in 1983 the Detroit minor hockey system was only starting to evolve, he put them on the map

Turcotte & Scott Sandelin were hyped as big time steals by Habs at the draft. Bobby Mac had a huge spread on them for The Hockey News at the time.
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17th overall. Our 26th overall that year (and even 27th) were much better than him.
 
Sal_Butera said:
Alfie Turcotte, like his son during draft year was getting all kinds of hype - and back in 1983 the Detroit minor hockey system was only starting to evolve, he put them on the map

Turcotte & Scott Sandelin were hyped as big time steals by Habs at the draft. Bobby Mac had a huge spread on them for The Hockey News at the time.
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Turcotte won the MVP award at the 1983 Memorial Cup (a prize which, in addition to a trophy, included a 19" color TV) Of course, Alfie had a guy named John Kordic riding shotgun for him and the Winterhawks (who were only there because they were the host team, not the WHL champs) brought in a ringer from the Calgary Wranglers named Mike Vernon to play goal in the tournament.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Turcotte won the MVP award at the 1983 Memorial Cup (a prize which, in addition to a trophy, included a 19" color TV) Of course, Alfie had a guy named John Kordic riding shotgun for him and the Winterhawks (who were only there because they were the host team, not the WHL champs) brought in a ringer from the Calgary Wranglers named Mike Vernon to play goal in the tournament.
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Neely was on that team too iirc
 
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