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Around The League - 2024-25 Regular Season

Sal_Butera said:
Not necessarily when dealing picks..
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I'm not sure I follow...but if you think FLA landing Matthew Tkachuk didn't involve good drafting think again. They had to trade 3 players they drafted (PLUS a future 1st rounder) to get him.
 
CH1 said:
I'm not sure I follow...but if you think FLA landing Matthew Tkachuk didn't involve good drafting think again. They had to trade 3 players they drafted (PLUS a future 1st rounder) to get him.
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How about Verhaeghe, Bennett, Montour…

How about Rutherford acquiring Kessel, Hornqvist, Bonino in Pit

Tage Thompson was reportedly available for a mid rounder summer prior to his breakout season…

What “good drafting” was needed to acquire those core pieces for those teams at that time?
 
Sal_Butera said:
How about Verhaeghe, Bennett, Montour…

How about Rutherford acquiring Kessel, Hornqvist, Bonino in Pit

Tage Thompson was reportedly available for a mid rounder summer prior to his breakout season…

What “good drafting” was needed to acquire those core pieces for those teams at that time?
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at the end of the day, good drafting is better than ok drafting

there's lots of ingredients needed to build a winner... and good drafting is one of the most important ones
 
CH1 said:
at the end of the day, good drafting is better than ok drafting

there's lots of ingredients needed to build a winner... and good drafting is one of the most important ones
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I would like to see that chart updated to show drafting records over the same period discounting top-3OA picks…to better understand this concept of “good drafting teams”
 
2008 Red Wings, 2019 Blues. Blues were close, they had Pietrangelo #4 and Schenn #5.

Everybody else, though, had a first or second overall draft pick on their teams.
 
While it's not an iron-clad rule, I think the pattern is clear enough: Most of those #1 or #2 picks are the franchise center and/or d-man.

2006: Eric Staal, franchise center. Best year of his career.
2007: Chris Pronger (Scott Niedermayer was a #3 overall pick), a HHOF.
2008: Red Wings, an exception
2009: Fleury, Crosby, Malkin. Two all-time forwards and The Artist More Commonly Known As The Choking Dog prior to him legally changing his name.
2010: Patrick Kane, in the discussion for best winger of the last 25 years. Toews was #3.
2011: Seguin #2. They might as well be noted as an exception since Seguin was just a rookie who didn't play all that much. Besides Nathan Horton (3rd overall), most of their key players were second or third round picks.
2012: Drew Doughty, franchise d-man.
2013: Hawks again
2014: Kings again
2015: Hawks again
2016 & 2017: Pittsburgh with The Choking Dog as a back-up.
2018: Ovechkin
2019: Blues, an exception
2020 & 2021: Stamkos & Hedman
2022: MacKinnon & Makar
2023: Eichel
2024: Ekblad, Reinhart, Barkov. Bennett was 4th overall & OEL 6th overall.

There's varying levels of degrees asto how much the 1st/2nd overall player impacted the games. Seguin didn't play much, The Choking Dog was a back-up for two of those three Cups, Ekblad's play has slipped in recent years.

All in all, though, all those teams had elite talent in their lineup. Might not have been taken in the first or second overall slot, but they have those players on their team. That elite talent is usually, albeit not exclusively, found in the lottery of the draft.
 
CH1 said:
at the end of the day, good drafting is better than ok drafting

there's lots of ingredients needed to build a winner... and good drafting is one of the most important ones
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For the most part cup teams have their core built through the draft

Smart trades and good luck also play a role
 
GGpX said:
While it's not an iron-clad rule, I think the pattern is clear enough: Most of those #1 or #2 picks are the franchise center and/or d-man.

2006: Eric Staal, franchise center. Best year of his career.
2007: Chris Pronger (Scott Niedermayer was a #3 overall pick), a HHOF.
2008: Red Wings, an exception
2009: Fleury, Crosby, Malkin. Two all-time forwards and The Artist More Commonly Known As The Choking Dog prior to him legally changing his name.
2010: Patrick Kane, in the discussion for best winger of the last 25 years. Toews was #3.
2011: Seguin #2. They might as well be noted as an exception since Seguin was just a rookie who didn't play all that much. Besides Nathan Horton (3rd overall), most of their key players were second or third round picks.
2012: Drew Doughty, franchise d-man.
2013: Hawks again
2014: Kings again
2015: Hawks again
2016 & 2017: Pittsburgh with The Choking Dog as a back-up.
2018: Ovechkin
2019: Blues, an exception
2020 & 2021: Stamkos & Hedman
2022: MacKinnon & Makar
2023: Eichel
2024: Ekblad, Reinhart, Barkov. Bennett was 4th overall & OEL 6th overall.

There's varying levels of degrees asto how much the 1st/2nd overall player impacted the games. Seguin didn't play much, The Choking Dog was a back-up for two of those three Cups, Ekblad's play has slipped in recent years.

All in all, though, all those teams had elite talent in their lineup. Might not have been taken in the first or second overall slot, but they have those players on their team. That elite talent is usually, albeit not exclusively, found in the lottery of the draft.
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2007 and 2023 are also the only ones acquired by trade, or UFA (Niedermayer). Reinhart, Bennett as well but Florida had 2 home grown 1-2OA.
 
WeHaveMoreCupsThanYou said:
Everybody wants to be first to break the story. In a perfect world, Marek never eats lunch in this town ever again. But in the real world, people like Stan Bowman get second chances so...
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I wanna know the full story … was his buddy placing bets using that leaked info?

There’s more to this IMO, teams / league has been leaking info to Bobby Mac for 25-years, and was never seen as a problem
 
Sal_Butera said:
I wanna know the full story … was his buddy placing bets using that leaked info?

There’s more to this IMO, teams / league has been leaking info to Bobby Mac for 25-years, and was never seen as a problem
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It's one thing to leak info. It's another to be in a position in the media, you're working at the event, where you're connected to teams and receive information ahead of time, then use that privileged information that could be used for betting... especially in Las Vegas.

Like, the NHL & ESPN/Sportsnet knows ahead of time, usually a few minutes ahead, who the pick is so that they can get the packages and everything ready when the pick is made. If someone from that company knows, then gives the information out to someone in secret? And that person may or may not have used that information to make bets?

Deep shit. Dumbfuck McGee could be in some deep, deep shit.
 
Sal_Butera said:
I wanna know the full story … was his buddy placing bets using that leaked info?

There’s more to this IMO, teams / league has been leaking info to Bobby Mac for 25-years, and was never seen as a problem
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Marek’s buddy may not have placed any bets but who cares, media can’t release privileged info that can be used nefariously

Marek was feeding insider info to a buddy who in turn was using that info to make himself appear to be more knowledgable than he really is. That knowledge was used to prop up his private business and, presumably, give him an advantage over other businesses. The NHL didn't like that and they reported Marek and his buddy to the Nevada Gaming Control Board, who conducted an investigation which, presumably, raised red flags for Marek's employer Sportsnet.
 
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