LeafOfFaith
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Actually I love that guy. I actually watch his show (sermon) here and there.
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LeafOfFaith
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He says great shit. I don’t care about his activities. Those sermons are genuinely inspirational. Great stuff.
LeafOfFaith
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Have you seen it ever? It’s not a religious thing, it’s a moral/ethical discussion about how to live life, deal with problems.
LeafOfFaith
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I’m sure he’s not for everyone, but I find everything he says relatable and uplifting. I don’t really care what he does off stage. I watch him for free.
LeafOfFaith
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I’ve seen maybe a dozen. I don’t know what to tell you, you should watch one, if you just like listening to life lesson stuff.
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I literally don't know one thing about his activities, even now I'm not bothering to research it because I couldn't care less. All I know about him outside of the televised sermons is that his family bought the old stadium in Houston (I think) and turned it into that huge church. I only know the few anecdotes he tells about himself in the course of the sermons.
I think the last one I watched was a half hour on why one shouldn't hold hate in their heart. Someone does something bad to you, fuck it, forget about it, let karma bring him down, don't drop to that level and try to one-up the shitty thing they did in retaliation. Don't fill yourself with anger and anxiety over something someone else does. Just let it roll off you and go about your life. And in the process of getting this point across, he'll illustrate with some story from the bible and interesting anecdotes about his outside friends/family and people from the congregation. In this case, it would be about how Person A would take everything personally, eat himself up, be pissed and upset all the time, and it killed him. And Person B had this and that happen to them, and they got over it, and they got 10x further in life than the offending party.
It's stuff like that. All positive, daily life advice, a lecture on ethics, and so on. If he is a swindler off the stage, that doesn't detract from the value he gets across in those sermons. You can hate Cosby for his outside activities, but the Cosby Show is still grade a stuff. You can hate Michael Jackson for things he allegedly did, but his songs are still something special from that era. The majority of people you see on tv and film and adore are total shitheads in real life, and you have no idea, trust me when I tell you that. Yet you go to their movies and watch them on tv, and they're providing nothing but entertainment. There's no difference here, except that he's speaking on important subjects in day to day life that you can pull lessons out of to help in managing your thoughts and actions. You should separate the art from the artist, so to speak. I've never watched or liked anything similar to this - I happened across it once on tv and thought hey, this is interesting, decent stuff. Sorry if that isn't your sort of thing, guys.
I think the last one I watched was a half hour on why one shouldn't hold hate in their heart. Someone does something bad to you, fuck it, forget about it, let karma bring him down, don't drop to that level and try to one-up the shitty thing they did in retaliation. Don't fill yourself with anger and anxiety over something someone else does. Just let it roll off you and go about your life. And in the process of getting this point across, he'll illustrate with some story from the bible and interesting anecdotes about his outside friends/family and people from the congregation. In this case, it would be about how Person A would take everything personally, eat himself up, be pissed and upset all the time, and it killed him. And Person B had this and that happen to them, and they got over it, and they got 10x further in life than the offending party.
It's stuff like that. All positive, daily life advice, a lecture on ethics, and so on. If he is a swindler off the stage, that doesn't detract from the value he gets across in those sermons. You can hate Cosby for his outside activities, but the Cosby Show is still grade a stuff. You can hate Michael Jackson for things he allegedly did, but his songs are still something special from that era. The majority of people you see on tv and film and adore are total shitheads in real life, and you have no idea, trust me when I tell you that. Yet you go to their movies and watch them on tv, and they're providing nothing but entertainment. There's no difference here, except that he's speaking on important subjects in day to day life that you can pull lessons out of to help in managing your thoughts and actions. You should separate the art from the artist, so to speak. I've never watched or liked anything similar to this - I happened across it once on tv and thought hey, this is interesting, decent stuff. Sorry if that isn't your sort of thing, guys.
LeafOfFaith
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Yeah, it's pretty weird to listen to someone give a lecture on how to live your best life.
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Not exactly an original piece of advice. I dare say the idea of “letting things go” is something you been exposed to 1000 times, including in a fortune cookie that time you ordered Chinese food or watched a rerun episode of Golden Girls
LeafOfFaith
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The things he says in the lectures have no bearing on anything outside of those specific subjects.
I don't send him money, I turn it off just as I know he's about to do that thing where he tells the congregation to praise Jesus or whatever (JC is not my guy), and I just take the value I can out of his words. They're very good lectures.
I don't know anything about any swindling, and I don't know how what he does would be different than what my local synagogue does to raise money. Every high holiday, they require people to buy a membership and pay hundreds of dollars for each ticket for each family member to go to synagogue and be allowed to take part in the religious program. It's literally extortion - can't go unless you pay. Detestable garbage. At the last one for Yom Kippur, the rabbi kept everyone in when the fast was over and we're all dying to go home and eat, to tell a room of over 1,000 people that one of the Torahs fell from the table the night before, and we are all bound to give some form of charity to some hand-picked organization.
This is religion, my friends. I don't know what Osteen is doing to rip anyone off, but I'm guessing it's part and parcel with the shit that every synagogue in town does to keep memberships paid and to raise more money when the holidays roll around.
I don't send him money, I turn it off just as I know he's about to do that thing where he tells the congregation to praise Jesus or whatever (JC is not my guy), and I just take the value I can out of his words. They're very good lectures.
I don't know anything about any swindling, and I don't know how what he does would be different than what my local synagogue does to raise money. Every high holiday, they require people to buy a membership and pay hundreds of dollars for each ticket for each family member to go to synagogue and be allowed to take part in the religious program. It's literally extortion - can't go unless you pay. Detestable garbage. At the last one for Yom Kippur, the rabbi kept everyone in when the fast was over and we're all dying to go home and eat, to tell a room of over 1,000 people that one of the Torahs fell from the table the night before, and we are all bound to give some form of charity to some hand-picked organization.
This is religion, my friends. I don't know what Osteen is doing to rip anyone off, but I'm guessing it's part and parcel with the shit that every synagogue in town does to keep memberships paid and to raise more money when the holidays roll around.
LeafOfFaith
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So what? Everything you watch is original? He tells stories I've never heard and illustrates points in interesting ways. The subject matter is pristine, decent stuff that everyone can benefit from. I like this sort of thing. In high school, there was a class on jewish philosophy which was very similar in form and substance, and it was a great class. This is very reminiscent, so I like it. And it's not must see tv for me, by the way. I don't know when it's on, and I don't search for it. But here and there I'll see it pop up on the guide, and if I'm in the mood for it, I'll give it a watch. I guarantee that the value of his lectures is one billion times the fucking disgusting garbage message of say a pile of shit like Succession.