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leafman101 said:
keefe is the worst of them all. He can go back to the AHL where coaches apparently don’t need to make adjustments in playoff series.every year he is outclassed.
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It’s the same thing across the board with him. Look at their pp. for 5 years they were elite with Marner on the right point. It got stagnant and it took them a full year to change things up. The umbrella is no longer working and their response is to…. Stick with it.

And how have they not figured out how to try to work around what Boston is doing with Tavares? Literally every fucking time it’s the same thing - get him to go outside, two forwards pressure him, d man drops into corner. Literally every single one of the guys rushes last night ended with a turnover or an ineffective shot from inside the blue line.
 
I mean Guy Boucher must be fired too. But then they'll be on their 4th pp coach under this core. I don't think that's gonna completely solve it either. How many do they get before we stop blaming the coach entirely for their pp sucking every spring?
 
No one. But I also never said they should fire Shanahan and Tre only, which I feel was misrepresented. I simply said those two are way higher impact than the coach. It was their vision that led them to this plug d corps and misdiagnosis of their playoff failures.
 
Preston said:
I mean Guy Boucher must be fired too. But then they'll be on their 4th pp coach under this core. I don't think that's gonna completely solve it either. How many do they get before we stop blaming the coach entirely for their pp sucking every spring?
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Boston just split up the duo - and play - that has eviscerated the leafs the past few years. They’re using totally different looks working the puck down low to feed debrusk in the high slot. The players aren’t choosing a different gameplan.

The leafs pp fell apart in march and yet they’ve made no adjustments which is a common thing. I think that’s Keefe - we all know he’s scared to change approach.
 
There's a level of predictability and lack of versatility to their players that leads them to be easily shut down in a series situation where tapes are studied at a far higher rate. Is coaching a part of it? Absolutely. But the Leafs guys aren't natural pp studs like the unpredictable kucherov's of the world and that absolutely plays a role too. Fantastic 5 on 5 players (which is more important anyway) but outside of Willy, no real dual threats out there.

I bought the coaching thing after Hiller and even after Malhotra. And I still do, many adjustments should have been made. But after 3 pp coaches going through identical issues I think there's more to it.
 
Hire Gilmore as President? I mean he can't be any worst then Shanahan.

At least he was a Leaf (and legend).
 
Malhotra was touted for his work on the Canucks pp. They got the hottest guy at the time. Boucher... Yeah no fucking clue. He was always known as a defense first guy so I'm not sure what the logic was with that hire. And Hiller is a legend. At the end of the day, at least with Malhotra, some mega talented pp guys can make any coach look smart. He clearly had no clue when he was with the Leafs.

The best pps have little structure and just let their versatile, dual-threat talent run wild because that's what makes it unpredictable and hard to shut down. And there's movement movement movement. Oppo Leafs really.
 
Preston said:
There's a level of predictability and lack of versatility to their players that leads them to be easily shut down in a series situation where tapes are studied at a far higher rate. Is coaching a part of it? Absolutely. But the Leafs guys aren't natural pp studs like the unpredictable kucherov's of the world and that absolutely plays a role too. Fantastic 5 on 5 players (which is more important anyway) but outside of Willy, no real dual threats out there.

I bought the coaching thing after Hiller and even after Malhotra. And I still do, many adjustments should have been made. But after 3 pp coaches going through identical issues I think there's more to it.
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Classic presto post. I’m gonna bank this one.
 
I think the story here is keep some bullets in the chamber for the playoffs so that you’re less predictable. The common thread is the leafs work the same pp all year and suddenly it stops working in the playoffs. I wonder why. They have enough creativity for a top 5 pp year in year out. It’s not like teams aren’t trying to stop them in the regular season.
 
mbow30 said:
Classic presto post. I’m gonna bank this one.
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Just playing the odds is all. 3 pp coaches, all shut down once the playoffs come around. The odds that it's only coaching related feels small to me. Would be happy to be wrong. I think it's a poor bet though, statistically speaking.
 
Preston said:
Malhotra was touted for his work on the Canucks pp. They got the hottest guy at the time. Boucher... Yeah no fucking clue. He was always known as a defense first guy so I'm not sure what the logic was with that hire. And Hiller is a legend. At the end of the day, at least with Malhotra, some mega talented pp guys can make any coach look smart. He clearly had no clue when he was with the Leafs.

The best pps have little structure and just let their versatile, dual-threat talent run wild because that's what makes it unpredictable and hard to shut down. And there's movement movement movement. Oppo Leafs really.
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Ya I mean maybe a blind guy isn’t the best choice here.
 
Preston said:
Just playing the odds is all. 3 pp coaches, all shut down once the playoffs come around. The odds that it's only coaching related feels small to me. Would be happy to be wrong. I think it's a poor bet though, statistically speaking.
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Statistically speaking their pp is elite every year until March. Other teams adjust. The players obviously have the ability to execute different plays.
 
mbow30 said:
Statistically speaking their pp is elite every year until March. Other teams adjust. The players obviously have the ability to execute different plays.
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Yup. Sample ain't small like it once was, hence my evolving opinion. I'm not gonna continue to die on that hill anymore. Mind is open
 
Preston said:
Malhotra was touted for his work on the Canucks pp. They got the hottest guy at the time. Boucher... Yeah no fucking clue. He was always known as a defense first guy so I'm not sure what the logic was with that hire. And Hiller is a legend. At the end of the day, at least with Malhotra, some mega talented pp guys can make any coach look smart. He clearly had no clue when he was with the Leafs.

The best pps have little structure and just let their versatile, dual-threat talent run wild because that's what makes it unpredictable and hard to shut down. And there's movement movement movement. Oppo Leafs really.
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It looks like they were 11th in the league while he was an assistant there tho.

Always seemed like an odd choice to me.
 
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